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General Politics Discussion (III) [ARCHIVED] • Page 645

Discussion in 'Politics Forum' started by Melody Bot, Mar 24, 2017.

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  1. Whatjuliansaid

    News on once the clouds are gone. Prestigious

     
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  2. Whatjuliansaid

    News on once the clouds are gone. Prestigious

    They really aren't allowed to though, from what I've read. At least he's showing emotion, for once lol
     
  3. incognitojones

    Some Freak Supporter

    There's so many opportunities for easy messaging here, and I can feel them just being ignored
     
  4. Dominick

    Prestigious Prestigious

    The core divergence in these worldviews is in their beliefs about the nature of contemporary political and economic institutions. The difference here is not “how quickly these institutions should change,” but whether changes to them should be fundamental structural changes or not. The leftist sees capitalism as a horror, and believes that so long as money and profit rule the earth, human beings will be made miserable and will destroy themselves. The liberal does not actually believe this. Rather, the liberal believes that while there are problems with capitalism, it can be salvaged if given a few tweaks here and there. As Nancy Pelosi said of the present Democratic party: “We’re capitalist.” When Bernie Sanders is asked if he is a capitalist, he answers flatly: “No.” Sanders is a socialist, and socialism is not capitalism, and there is no possibility of healing the ideological rift between the two. Liberals believe that the economic and political system is a machine that has broken down and needs fixing. Leftists believe that the machine is not “broken.” Rather, it is working perfectly well; the problem is that it is a death machine designed to chew up human lives. You don’t fix the death machine, you smash it to bits.....Does this mean that anti-Trump forces are doomed to political infighting on everything? No, I don’t think so. Because even if you ultimately cannot reconcile your values with someone else’s, you can still forge temporary alliances for the purposes of achieving common political goals. Pelosi and Sanders share the goal of ridding the world of Trump, and it is possible to collaborate based on what we do have in common. That’s why Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton and told his followers to vote for her. The fact that at the end of the day, the liberal/left conflict is real and intractable does not preclude a liberal/left coalition in undermining the Trump agenda. It just means that this coalition is ultimately destined to be temporary."


    The Difference Between Liberalism and Leftism | Current Affairs
     
  5. David87

    Prestigious Prestigious

    That seems to be the basis for King's line of questioning, tho...that basically they don't seem to have legal basis for their refusal to answer those questions and should have come prepared with that basis if they thought they did.

    Things got heated with Kamala Harris too. Burr steps in to be a dick to her.
     
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  6. Whatjuliansaid

    News on once the clouds are gone. Prestigious

    Yea, this is a really rigorous process. That's why I don't have much of an idea for what happens tomorrow. A lot of them may know things they'd love for the public to know but may not be allowed to be released in this way. I wonder if Comey not being employed by the FBI, changes anything. I doubt it.
     
  7. AelNire

    @RiotGrlErin Prestigious

    Re: Comey

    I haven't been this excited about anything since Christmas. I'm expecting either a complete dud or a complete shit show.

    I'll be ready at 9:45AM.

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  8. TheGuyfkaFringeofLunacy

    Trusted Supporter

    If it's not classified and executive privilege has not been used then they should have to answer is what my understanding of the issue is. Coates is just refusing to answer in an open session but would in a closed session which is infuriating.
     
  9. Whatjuliansaid

    News on once the clouds are gone. Prestigious

    Well, he might be afraid of the wrath of cheetoh (kidding, probs)
     
  10. devenstonow

    Noobie

    It's not necessarily that they are worried about repercussions at them, they just don't want to give too much out to the public until Mueller's investigation is finished.
     
  11. I would say, don't anticipate something happening tomorrow that crashes the internet or anything. I think it'll just be another step in the long process of getting Trump to resign or impeaching him. It'll be crazy to watch but I think there's still so much that needs to happen.
     
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  14. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

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  15. Craig Ismaili

    @tgscraig Prestigious

    To go back a few pages on why Murphy won, he also won because the County Line (the top line on the ballot) in the county conventions, which is estimated to add about 200 thousand votes on the face in an election where Democrat voters made up a little more than 400,000 primary voters. So basically, he already won the election just by being on the top of the ballot. Same goes for Guaudano.

    For a little more info on this: Gubernatorial candidates start 2017 sparring in primary race
     
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  16. AelNire

    @RiotGrlErin Prestigious

    I can't help but revel in this for just a second.

     
  17. incognitojones

    Some Freak Supporter

    I think actual resistance against Trump would be much more successful if he wasn't such a big football idiot. He's doing actively dangerous and widely unpopular things, but it's so easy to get caught up in how much of bumbling old fuck up he is. If he was ten percent more competent he probably wouldn't have even been elected
     
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  18. ellie117

    south jersey. Supporter

    Soo, my company just announced they are now providing 16 weeks of paid leave for women and men welcoming a new child (birth or adopting.)
     
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  19. thethingis

    Meet me in Montauk. Prestigious

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  20. Dominick

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    This is really important. It really is demonstrative of the destructiveness of conservative economic theory and their implementation. I think Kansas, among other states, has an opening for the left and it has credible proof of an alternative in which people may pay more for taxes, but will have good services to go along with them:

    "The Republican-controlled state Legislature on Tuesday overwhelmingly overrode Brownback’s veto of desperately needed tax increases. The action rolls back much of Brownback’s 2012 tax cuts, producing a $1.2-billion shot of adrenaline for the state budget over two years....Brownback’s policies were designed to make Kansas a national laboratory of tea party economics. But their dismal effects have been visible for years. By 2015, job growth was lagging its neighbors, the U.S. as a whole and more fiscally responsible states such as California. Job growth had actually slowed since the enactment of Brownback’s tax-cutting package, lagging that of 37 other states, including neighboring Missouri....If that sounds familiar, it’s because the same idea is part of President Trump’s tax proposal. It’s an invitation to tax dodging (and perhaps not coincidentally, would be a huge boon to Trump’s own businesses and family)."

    As Brownback anticipated, Kansas has indeed been a lesson for America, just not in the way he hoped.



    Kansas Legislature finally ends Gov. Sam Brownback's destructive tea party tax cuts
     
  21. Dominick

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    "Corbyn’s growing popularity is exciting for American progressives because it presents an opportunity for winning. Constantly saddled with the “unelectable” tag that has followed left-wing political candidates in both countries for decades, the Labour leader has proven that, in the crisis that the last decade has presented Western democracy, it might not apply anymore.

    The fire that Corbyn and Sanders have rekindled in organizations like Momentum and the Democratic Socialists of America indicate that the international left still has room to grow. Corbyn could still lose badly; it wouldn’t be the first time British pollsters got it wrong. But if he shocks the world tomorrow, it’ll show that the West might be more ready for socialism than any of us previously thought."

    The American left has found a hero: Jeremy Corbyn
     
  22. neo506

    2001-2022 Prestigious



    bahahahahahahahahahaha
     
  23. Personal opinion: Even if he loses I think the West is more ready for FDR-style polices. But I've thought that for a while.
     
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  25. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    Honk honk goes the boat
     
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