Deftones Band • Page 30

Hyde mixed the final version of Gore, and he assisted Nick Raskulinecz on production with KNY. I had initially though Terry Date had mixed Gore, but my album says Matt Hyde.

 

I like Matt Hyde's production a lot more than the last guy's but it's still too fucking compressed sounding.

 

I see

 

I'm pretty sure Date did do a mix though, they just decided to go with Hyde's mix. Who knows.

 

Terry Date on tape next time. Or the dream of Matt Bayles on tape. Give me the Panopticon sound.

 

Matt Hyde mixed Gore. Terry Date apparently did little bits of it but Matt Hyde is the one responsible for it.

Biggest wish for next album is for Terry Date to produce and mix it. I still pretty much consider him the sixth member of Deftones.

 

I think Gore might be the most cohesive sounding - as in, all the songs sound like an exploration of one particular style - Deftones records in years, possibly since Around the Fur. Which might actually be a complaint of mine. I know that sounds douchey, but I actually like how a lot of their other records sound like a hodgepodge of songs from completely different genres.

While I'm at it, I'm still gonna talk some smack about the self-titled for a second! I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I think the production on that record is one of the things I really don't like about it. It feels to me like the entire record has this tinny, 'noise'y filter around it that really works for the heavier songs ("Hexagram", "When Girls Telephone Boys") but seems really out of place on everything else. I know Saturday Night Wrist is often considered the black sheep of the discography by Deftones fans, and I know it was recorded at a time of extreme stress when none of the members were speaking to each other. But to me, the self-titled actually SOUNDS like that. It sounds like a band that isn't communicating and is unsure of where they're going.

 

Well, that was certainly the start of it. But mostly they were just lazy and complacent on the self-titled record.

 

Please I would be so smitten.

 

STOP THE SELF TITLED HATE I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS

 

I love that album, but they were lazy af on it. Not even debatable, really.

 

In what way were they lazy af on it then?

 

Then they make their best music when they're lazy I guess!

 

I mean, they admitted it for one. I'm sure they worked hard on it when they did put in the work, but seeing all those videos of them in the studio and Terry Date just trying to get them to do anything is proof enough to me.

 

Not saying the song writing itself is lazy or complacent, they were just comfortable, maybe a little too comfortable.

 

Oh there's no question they took their foot of the gas in some way - I mean, they got a million dollar fine for handing it in late so clearly they'd become pretty comfortable. But the actual music on that album is definitely not lazy. It's first class.

 

love the seamless transition from Phantom Bride to Rubicon.

Also, NEVER forget Saturday Night Wrist. That record rules.

Enjoyed reading your review though, Drew. I agree with most of your points.

 

Oh, I agree. Sorry if it seemed like I was saying something else.

 

You are how I feel when people talk shit about SNW.

 

I mean, I definitely think that's a good record. I think it's funny though how the things you pick out about the self-titled would be the things I'd pick out about SNW (production, sounds like they were not communicating etc). Just always interesting to see the varying opinions this band's fanbase has, even if some of them make me sad.

 

Haha, I know, right? If they're getting such diverse opinions, probably just means they're a fuckin' awesome band!

And don't get too sad about the self-titled hate! I've been sitting on that opinion for a while and finally had a place to let it out!

 

Fell into a YouTube rabbit hole last night and ran into this video. Love the energy in this performance, and Abe's snare sound is like a dagger to my sternum every time. Huge part of the reason I fell in love with his drumming when I was a kid. Also, I know most of us here don't dig Adrenaline anymore, but this performance of Birthmark actually made me wanna reach for the album.

 

Chino is skinny too

 

My favourite Adrenaline songs are "Bored", "7 Words" and "Birthmark". Haven't listened to the whole thing in years though, should probably correct that.

 

Adrenaline is a fantastic album. Even if you lump it into the nu-metal genre, it's definitely at the top of the pile.