Underoath - Erase Me (April 6, 2018) Album • Page 24

Oh gosh thank you teebs for explaining that to me i was so lost without your council, might want to work on your coherent sentence construction though. But hey what do I know I cant read.

more to the point of what i think youre trying to say, its an awfully childish way of viewing cursing in regards to Aarons tweet. As if people will break down at the mere mention of a curse word. I think the incredibly mild "outrage" that has come from this is understandable, Underoath routinely touted themselves as devout Christians who would specifically try to tour with non-christian bands to spread their message, possibly convert others, and demonstrate a Christian lifestyle by abstaining from cursing, alcohol, etc. A LOT of their fanbase was drawn to that and i can imagine its jarring to hear that in a new song. I dont think the people who have noted the expletive are the ones being dramatic, the bands and in particular Aarons response comes across as #edgy but id like to reiterate that I dont think Aaron meant for it to come across that way. It just came off as juvenile to me.

 

aarons response was phrased horribly, spencer's was a level headed explanation of 'we're gonna do what we want to do, you can join us or not' which is fair enough

 

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bingo

 

I think out of context Aaron's response was not worded well. But in the context of meaning for the curses, it works.

 

my pure jim was feeling so many emotions :(

thats still my favorite song by them

 

They were no longer a Christian band when the last album was released that’s why I see this as a non issue. Yea if it came out of nowhere than it would make sense.


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Why was it okay for mewithoutyou to do it on pale horses and but it’s an issue for underoath? And no, it isn’t just a few people go on their fb posts, it’s literally post after post of people quoting the Bible.

 

disambiguation didnt get as much attention as previous albums, many people probably missed that cycle and spencer walking back the christian band thing

mewithoutyou has never positioned themselves as a christian band, just a regular post hardcore band with religious based lyrics, like thrice, manchester orchestra, and many others

 

I actually didn’t know that. The person who got me into them in high school was only allowed to listen to Christian music and told me they were one so I’ve always thought that.

 

You have been led astray

 

Kind of a random question but does anyone know if Aaron did any writing for Disambiguation. Were some of the clean vox melodies written and meant to be sung by Aaron?

 

ok so i think youre missing my point

i dont think anyone actually thinks its an issue, from what ive seen most (MOST) people who have even bothered to comment on it have simply just mentioned the fact that there is an expletive, which again is jarring for a christian band to just kind of throw into their song. i think Aaron kneejerked and saw it as people complaining whereas Spencers seemed more level headed and directed more at people who think the song isnt good due to some believing theres still acrimony between Aaron and Spencer.


ahhh the ol "what about THIS band that you really like! aha, gotcha!". so mwY have never really carried themselves as a christian band, moreso a religious band that melds beliefs and uses them to express their music while also having their own beliefs. this is not the case for Underoath. it was also jarring to hear it in a mwY song, again because its jarring to hear anyone use a curse word when you generally dont hear them say those words. it DID indeed come out of nowhere. again, from what im seeing online, i dont really see anyone actually legit upset about them cursing in this song, moreso just noting how odd it is since theyve pretty much never done that.



i have no idea what youre on about with "it isnt just a few people go on their fb posts" so ill just leave that be.

this did make me laugh though

 

i doubt it

 

i think it should be noted underoath is definitely not a christian band now, though they were at one point, which people should probably realize

 

this too, which i think if there are any people actually genuinely upset about anything its probably this but hey people change

 

I thought it was interesting how their new band bio and marketing materials essentially explicitly state “We are no longer a Christian band”, like alright I get it’s a good marketing angle if that’s going to be one of the themes of the album, but imo it just comes acrosss weird to actually make that basically the central theme of the marketing for the album as opposed to other things. Maybe it’s just me idk.

 

i get the feeling that's the fearless marketing team more than anything

 

this isnt a new development. love these lyrics btw i just happened to be listening to this song

 

Yeah probably. I’ll fully admit that new band bio is pretty well-written as far as those things go, but my first thought was “Damn, they’re really making this like... the centerpiece of their comeback huh?”

 

I see it more as they were trying to avoid something like this. The fb comment section on all of the new posts are pretty brutal. People telling them they are lost and need to find god.. I know that’s not something I would want to read.

 

my counterpoint to that would be im glad they arent forcing themselves into being a christian band again and they seem happy as well so who cares what other people are saying. theres also a very strong argument to be made that those that value "not cursing" over actually following the teachings of Christ arent really worth sweating over. again, Aaron went about it wrong and Spencer was more level headed.

yknow you can quote me right? im just trying to have a discussion with ya teebs. i just think the people saying "wow people are super upset about underoath cursing" are making this a bigger deal than the actual people who have possibly taken umbrage with the expletive.

 

Ha actually that comment was in reference to @beachdude42s comment, which was questioning how they used the whole, “we are no longer a Christian band” statement as a marketing campaign.

Also, I think you made some great points in your posts and sorry my original unreadable post caused you some offense, I didn’t mean to.

 

no i know i was throwing my two cents into it

it didnt cause me offense its just weird that you think id comment on something without reading or understanding it

 

I don't like language depending on context, like when it attempts to be edgy. In those instances, it always strikes me as dishonest and unnecessarily divisive even if the people who react to it are unreasonable. The use in the new Underoath song didn't make me flinch, but that's honestly why it strikes me as edgy. It doesn't add much to lyrics other than adding angst to angst, and it feels unnecessary primarily because it doesn't feel jarring (unless you just put that much stock in the band's "Christian-ness"). Aaron's response just emphasized the edgy vibes to me. I still think this song is great. I just hope the rest of the album doesn't give off that vibe.

Of course, the other side of that is that "vibes" are kind of subjective. I can't actually judge how sincere they are. That's just how this particular use of language hit me.

On this subject, I always use Sufjan's "f**k me, I'm falling apart" in "No Shade in the Shadow of the Cross" as a positive example of how language can be used powerfully in a song. It's so raw, but it doesn't across as edgy because you're nodding your head with him by the time you get to that moment in the album. It's a sudden, jarring break in the poetic structure of the song to simulate an emotional breakdown. Same with the end of "I Want to Be Well". Both uses not only feel 100% honest, they're also examples of good writing.

So, like, I'm not against language. I just don't think it's worth the divisiveness in Christian(ish) circles if it's done as a means of being divisive, and divisiveness for the sake of divisiveness doesn't lend itself to good writing.

 

have never once listened to this band. genuine question: were they/are they an overly preachy sort of Christian band? like, I listen to bands like mwY who have a ton of religious imagery and allegory in their lyrics but Aaron's writing style has never come off as especially desperate in terms of pushing religion on others. IDK if he even practices?