Tour Prediction and Speculation Thread [ARCHIVED] Tour • Page 2057

I think it's more a demand issue than anything. There are a 100x more bands now than ever before and everyone and their brother wants to tour since they weren't able to for 2 years.

I hear bands like Anthrax (not to single them out) bitching about ticket sales, but when people have to choose between 700 tours and you're a band that's been touring nonstop for nearly 40 years and play the same set over and over again, people are gonna choose something else.

There are plenty of newer acts, reunion tours, album play throughs, etc. (and not just the huge bands like Blink and TS) that are selling exceptionally well.

 

yeah people really need to focus more on the lack of transparency in the ticketing debate. i mean you can't even simply see face value on a ticketmaster show until it goes on sale. it would be great if there were explicit bounds to dynamic/platinum/resale prices, but they will never do it without government intervention. as with most things, dynamic cap is artist dictated, and we know that artists must be protected from greed perception at all costs.

i was going to say that no one ever considers duplicate listings across multiple secondary platforms. not to mention flat out scammers, people selling tickets they don't have yet, or shill listings. i would say that well under 1k tickets on secondary for a presumed 17k capacity show really isn't that bad (though I highly doubt they are actually 17k tickets)



people dont want to believe it, but dynamic/platinum/resale exists as a direct response to the existence of a secondary market. and the secondary market exists because many of the most popular shows are technically underpriced. yes its about money, and why shouldn't the artist and venue be the ones to profit from their event? ticketmaster are not the ones dictating these things or taking the lions share, they facilitate the sales and take their cut. no one mistake that as caping up for them, i hate them for many reasons, it's just a fact they aren't the sole problem here. someone a few pages ago said there has to be a solution to scalping, and thats precisely what the concept of dynamically priced tickets is. the execution is poor at this point and consumers are wildly confused and angry, but it will eventually be figured out and normalized.

another thing people don't seem to consider much is the consumer experience outside of these chaotic on sales or incomprehensible fees. easy for a bunch of highly engaged nerds in a message board thread to think its as simple as using paperless tickets to stop scalping, but the reality is a lot of people are not tech savvy, and not unlike copy protection, the more you try to lock down things people buy, the more complicated and consumer unfriendly things can become. i mean look at verified fan, its explicit function is try to get tickets in the hands of real fans, and you see people bitch about that as if its the problem or assume its a scam, and has nothing to do with unprecedented demand. and if we want to talk about the dangers of making live music exclusive for the affluent, then we probably shouldn't be making it a requirement to own a smart phone to be able to go to a concert.

 

Avenged Sevenfold’s M. Shadows Weighs In On Ticketmaster Pricing Controversy: “If You Think Ticketmaster Sets The Price Of Tickets… You’re Wrong”

 

This tweet of M Shadows in particular is the thing no one wants to talk about:

 

M shadows should stick to NFTs

 

Not surprised M Shadows would care more about making bank by making concerts high end luxury experiences than having shows be accessible to the average fan.

 

I don't know what Avenge Sevenfold tickets run for but, outside of the top 2% of acts, I think most shows still end up being accessible, price-wise, to the average fan.

 

I don’t think they have touring in this post pandemic inflation era

 

A floor ticket in an arena was about $65 after fees last time I saw them a few years ago which sounds like an amazing deal for today's arena/ampitheater show standards.

 

I mean, do people truly think that the perspective the A7X guy shared isn't the same perspective that Taylor Swift and Blink-182 have? They want all the money they can get. And people are willing to pay it. They have no real concern about making things "fair" or "accessible." That's painfully obvious.

He's just at a level, with the right fanbase, where he can say that shit honestly and get away with it.

I disagree with the sentiment (I.e., I think its bullshit and these shows are way overpriced), and I still feel super guilty about dropping what I did on Blink tickets because I could have spent that money going to smaller shows... But let's not dilute ourselves into thinking that the vast majority of artists playing arenas aren't thinking that same way he is.

 

M. Shadows is also a republican for what it’s worth

 

Finally someone speaking the blunt truth. These acts are businesses, they are not your friend. Swift doesn’t care about you outside of maximizing profits. The acts are in bed with labels and labels in bed with other platforms and all vice versa because it ultimately benefits everyone, and that benefit it taking money from the consumer. No one is brave enough to break from that mold because it means putting money at risk, and that’s more important than you

 

That's the issue though, shows aren't over-priced if they are able to quickly move tickets. The sticker shock prices compared to a mere 3-4 years ago are definitely tough but it's where the market is. The top 2% of concerts are going to be well into the 3 figures.

As someone who goes to 50-60 shows a year in market #1, most things I go to are $100 and are easy to obtain tickets to. The only things that are tough are the underplays (arena bands doing club shows) and hot in demand tours.

 

But the question, to what extent are shows *actually* selling tickets, and what are just appearing to sell tickets when really scalpers are just shifting them to other sites? Pretty regularly, hundreds of tickets go unsold on Stubhub and and Seatgeek every show, which makes me think a lot of artificial hype confounding demand.

 

that's not really relevant at all. nothing he said is wrong, as much as you might dislike it.

 

That's a weird blackbox of the industry I've yet to figure out. Like, when you're literally at a show and you pull it up on Stubhub to see a listing for a $2k ticket...what happens to that ticket if it doesn't sell?

 

Artists need better revenue streams than touring guarantee's. I wish American govt was as generous with band and musician grants as Canada is.

 

We can't even get universal healthcare here, no way people are gonna agree to fund a rock band's tour.

 

Not with free market fans like yourself!

 

Man, festival lineups post Covid have been fire.

 

yeah, we can’t even get art and band taught in schools, so that ain’t happening.

 

Thanks guys, I know.

 

Ha I'm not a total free market capitalist but whatever.

 

All of this concert pricing discourse would be fixed if every band ever was Converge or Bolt Thrower.