The Boy And The Heron (Hayao Miyazaki/Studio Ghibli, Dec. 8, 2023) Movie • Page 6

it’s in the upper half of his films for me. you’ll want a cigarette and a good cry afterwards.

“we must try to live”

 

I’m saying I don’t see it as a true Ghibli film because neither Miyazaki nor Hisaishi were involved. Just like how I don’t count The Red Turtle and others as true Ghibli films.

For me, those two are synonymous with Ghibli as they are the portrait of its brand and image. If I need to say it in simple terms, there is a certain style and feel people imagine and expect from Ghibli and that’s not what ‘Grave of the Fireflies’ is.

I’d consider Nausicaä and Castle in the Sky (both produced by Takahata) as true Ghibli films.

 

Yeah but that's silly when Ghibli isn't just Miyazaki or Hisaishi. Takahata was a co-founder and directed many films for the studio. What you mean is they're not Miyazaki films but they are absolutely Ghibli films.

 

That's the only one I've not seen too but I've been wanting to for years! haha.

Have you read the Nausicaä manga? That's honestly one of the best things he's ever done and goes much further than the film.

 

I mean they’re not “Ghibli” films.

This is my opinion. I already know they were produced by Ghibli but reasons I stated previously I don’t call them true Ghibli films. If someone likes Spirited Away and wants more I won’t send them to Grave of the Fireflies.

 

Goofy opinion

 

I’d hazard to guess that both Miyazaki and Hisaishi would strongly take offense to the idea that Grave doesn’t count as a Studio Ghibli movie lol. It’s not really a matter of opinion when it’s just a factual yes/no question

 

Castle is really great, and you don’t need to know anything about Lupin III before watching.

 

Looks like someone just does not want to admit they are wrong when they made a mistake.

I make sure when I'm referring to Spirited Away/Princess Mononoke/Howl's Moving Castle and the rest of that group, I refer to them as Miyazaki movies. And if in a conversation I want to include something like Grave of the Fireflies, I'll say Studio Ghibli.

 

I'm also salty that Grave of the Fireflies is being rated as if not the same quality as Miyazaki films. It's widely considered one of the best animated films ever made and one of the all-time best war films. Miyazaki is a legend but instead of gatekeeping other anime directors, we should embrace them all. Of course there is crossover for those who enjoy Miyazaki would also enjoy Takahata, and would also probably enjoy the movies of Makoto Shinkai, Satoshi Kon, and other films like Akira and The Girl Who Leapt Through Time.

 

Great films mentioned above. I've seen Akira a bunch of times but I need to rewatch The Girl Who Leapt Through Time.

 

that and Summer Wars are great, though I prefer the former.

another underrated one is the 2001 Rintaro film Metropolis. I feel like everyone forgets that one.

I also recently watched Millennium Actress and Ghost in the Shell for the first time. real good, but both sort of underwhelmed me since I came in with high expectations.

I still need to see most of Takahata's other films. way behind on those

 

Millennium Actress underwhelmed me when I first watched it years ago but I rewatched it last year and thought it was absolutely incredible. All of Satoshi Kon's work is amazing to me.

 

Have you guys ever seen Pokemon: The First Movie? Absolutely life changing

 

BROTHERRRRR MY BROTHERRRRRRRRR

 

The part when Ash’s tears revive Pikachu was so deep man

 

Or wait is it the other way around

 

It was Pikachu crying over a stone Ash

 

Literally not even part of the lore- since when are pokemon tears magic? awful denouement

 

Pokémon 3 is the most solid of the films.

 

And I’m still lost on whatever rant you people are going on about. My very first comment regarding Grave of the Fireflies was than I don’t see it as a “true” Ghibli film, not that it isn’t a film produced by Ghibli lol

I’m not out to prove anything. I made my own subjective statement regarding what is Ghibli to me.

 

what "Ghibli is to you" isn't what Ghibli actually is. also it's not some subjective thing, not up for debate--it's a real animation studio, which Takahata is a part of, which Grave of the Fireflies was created under, which is why people are reacting. then each time you double down, it's even more perplexing bc we've already proved you wrong

 

I don’t know how many times I have to say it lol you’re arguing for something I never stated. I never said it wasn’t a Ghibli production. I said it’s not a “true” Ghibli film to me. It doesn’t have the Miyazaki and Hisaishi magic that created the Ghibli image.

Also, I don’t think you can prove a stylistic preference wrong, but continue taking offense. Have fun.

 

You saying you like Miyazaki more is a stylistic preference, saying anything Takahata made isn't a "true" Ghibli film is just dumb and incorrect which is what people have pointed out.

 

No, I actually said the opposite if you read all of my comments. I mentioned it in an above comment that I consider Ghibli films such as Nausicaä and Castle in the Sky to be “true” Ghibli films and Takahata produced them, while I wouldn’t consider films like ‘The Red Turtle’ to be “true” Ghibli. “Anything Takahata made not being a true Ghibli film” was never part of my personal take.

But if arguments are being made that contradict my previous comments then, yes, I do agree that they are dumb and incorrect.