Star Wars Universe (Rebels, Clone Wars, Comics, Books, Video Games) • Page 28

I was referring to myself! Not you. I don’t think you’re trolling we just have different views about a series we both clearly love. Don’t sweat it

 

I respect people trying to argue the opposite due to their love for the films but I find it impossible to maintain the position that there aren’t serious contradictions in the Star Wars universe thanks to the prequels.

 

my biggest issue with the prequels isnt so much the story content/writing/characters but how its filmed. Its like a big budget soap opera at times. The action scenes are cool and all but when it comes down to character interactions its so static and boring. It really shows the limitations of green screen, a lot of times characters are just slowly walking and talking to each other, or sitting down somewhere and talking, one of the editors has remarked that when they cut the film Lucas wanted the actors rhythms to dictate the scene instead of having the cuts move the scenes along and this has the side effect of making a lot of the scenes feel very meandering and dull. RedLetterMedia covers a lot of this better than I but it really bugs me. Lucas is also well known for viewing actors as "tools" and not as performers. Hayden, Ewan, Samuel L Jackson, Natalie, and other actors from the prequels have said in interviews much later after their releases that hes very specific in how he wants actors to do something in doesnt let them really experiment or bring new ideas to the scene. If it were up to Lucas we'd never have the wonderful moment where Leia tells Han she loves him and he just says "I know".

 

I really enjoy these types of conversations because in all honesty you come up with good points and I like trying to use the canon, logic, and my knowledge of the universe to come up with reasoning behind it. Sure, sometimes that reasoning is paper thin but I still find it to be a fun challenge and I am by no means trying to ruffle feathers and I really appreciate your viewpoint.

I understand that there are definitely contradictions but I have an easier time just accepting that George didn’t have everything planned out the entire time and, inevitably, things needed to be changed or explained away through a retcon. George Lucas is a genius and a visionary but I don’t think he had everything together from the very beginning on how exactly things would pan out. It would have been nearly impossible to have everything work out perfectly. It really just doesn’t bother me a whole lot.

 

I consider myself a pretty big Star Wars fan - seen all the movies, have a ton of collectibles, a tattoo, comics, etc.

But I've NEVER read any of the books! :(

I hear Lost Stars is good. Any recs on where to start? Or any that you read that are phenomenal?

 

Lost Stars is really great. I'd also try to check out Bloodline before The Last Jedi comes out. Rian Johnson actually had some input in the book. Also may be a good idea to check out Leia: Princess of Alderaan before then. Beyond that, I've read most of the canon books and they're usually at least a bit entertaining. The Aftermath series starts out rough but I think was entertaining by the end at least and had great characters you really cared about. Dark Disciple is great because I love me some Quinlan Vos. Lords of the Sith is great as well for a Vader story that takes place relatively soon after he took up the mantle. Thrawn was a slow, plodding book but one that really makes you appreciate how great of a military leader our favorite Chiss is. I really enjoyed Rebel Rising, about Jyn Erso's time before Rogue One, a very unexpected surprise. I really enjoyed Ahsoka, she's one of my favorite characters in Star Wars and was pretty entertaining. I've read all of them, but these are the ones that stick out to me when I'm thinking of the books.

 

That's a ton of great insight, really appreciate it! I'll take your advice and start with Bloodline, since TLJ comes out soon. I'll try to read Leia before then too. Can't wait to dive in!

 

I ran through a list of most of the books here recently. Look for it! :) happy reading!

 

@SEANoftheDEAD i just realized my rundown isn’t in this thread. Must have been the movie thread. My bad! I thought it was a page or two back. Let me try to find it.

Edit:

https://forum.chorus.fm/posts/1500921

 

Thanks man! I was just about to dig through 27 pages too! I'll take a look at it

 

Every time I watch Empire, I'm puzzled by the scene where Luke leaves Dagobah. Yoda and Obi Wan make a huge point to say that he's making a ruinous mistake, be and that he will fail or fall to the Dark Side if he leaves. I understand them urging him to complete his training, but it doesn't seem like there are any negative consequences in the end. Am I missing something obvious, or does anyone have more insight?

Also what deal did Lando make it not to turn over Han?

 

I think this pays off at the end of Jedi, where we see him almost give in to anger and hate, whereas I assume his training would have prepared him better to resist the dark side. Yoda and Obi-Wan were ultimately wrong though, since Luke was able to resist.

 

Yea, as well, it is clear that Yoda and Obi-Wan we’re wrong about how to handle Vader. They had intended Luke to kill him. But Luke found a better way.

 

So close to being caught up on rebels just watched twin suns. Very good episode I love how they did that fight scene

 

It was perfect really. Two incredibly strong Force users who know the others style. It would be quick and final.

Obiwan striking Qui Gonn’s pose was such an amazing subtle but perfect touch.

 

In Empire, Luke runs in and leaves Yoda because he feels he can’t live without his friends (attatchments similar to Anakin) and gets wrecked by Vader physically and emotionally because of it. In Jedi, he gives into his attatchments again but instead of trying to save them, he simply trusts them and his father and is willing to put his fate in their hands. That dichotomy is one of my favorite parts of the series because it shows there are good attatchments (faith in others) and bad ones which is being unwilling to let go. I get chills at the “You’re over confidence is your weakness. You’re faith in your friends is yours.” line because it perfectly sums up each side and why they win/lose. Luke pegs Palpatine perfectly and Palpatine mischaractersizes his biggest strength as a weakness. To me that’s the moment Luke fully becomes a Jedi.

 

Guys TLJ in 24 hours for me I'm dying here.

 

Finished the Aftermath trilogy yesterday. Overall I enjoyed it, but I think it suffers from having a few too many characters and there's a lot of them that I just did not care about (Temmin and his droid just kind of annoyed me. And Jom was just a nothing character in my opinion). The imperial characters were the strongest in my opinion.

 

is there any essential information to the story in there?

 

It gives more back story to Jakku and there maybe somethings that tie into The Last Jedi (haven't seen it yet, but it feels like there might be some possibility for connections). It also gives you some insight into the mindset differences between the Empire and the First Order. Probably nothing essential, just story enhancements really.

 

The author of aftermath is a bad writer so that's why it was bad

 

Can anyone recommend a small amount of books from the new expanded universe for someone who has never read any of these books but is still bouncing off The Last Jedi vibe?

 

-Lost Stars
-Leia: Princess of Alderran
-Bloodline

Those are the best so far, IMO.

The new Luke book is very weird, but ties into the Last jedi in more ways than I thought it would.

 

Ahsoka if you watched the clone wars show

 

I would add Thrawn to this list. It doesn't tie into Last Jedi, but it's one of my favorites. I wouldn't mind Rian Johnson exploring "wild space" that's hinted at in that book.