Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (J.J. Abrams, December 20, 2019) Movie • Page 281

And yet all the great trilogies I mentioned a few days back didn't have one cause being able to adapt and think creatively if new and better ideas come up is a good thing. Write good stories, make good movies. The idea that three full movies should have been written out, and that there hasn't been a lot of planning from the Star Wars story group along the way, is just silly.

 

Im willing to bet this is alot more planned than us peons talking on forums could know, the IP is more valuable than alot of things

 

You don’t need plans; you need good storytellers.

If comic book writers can tell great stories on top of decades of stories by various past writers w/out plans, then a good screenwriter can tell a good story wrapping up 8 previous films.

 

I’m sure there’s plenty of examples for movie or television series on both ends with varying levels of what is or isn’t planned.

But still, the director of the saga finale being fired so recently and then, if they’re to be believed at this point, major plot points being changed from movie to movie... I’m just saying that an overarching story and consistent themes should, for the most part, be planned.

I’m still excited to see this one though and hope it’s as good as TLJ.

 

And I disagree for all the reasons already given.

 

If this had a plan we would've never been blessed with The Last Jedi. This trilogy was worth it for that movie and those ideas alone.

 

Yeah, that could be true

 

Sure, they didn't need to have three complete scripts before filming the first of the trilogy, but having a general idea/agreement of the arc that they wanted to play out would be nothing but a good thing in my mind. Then you bring in great filmmakers like Rian Johnson to figure out how to get from point A to point B. Or at the very least, commit to where each filmmaker decides to take the story, rather than every other film retcon the ideas and arc that was pursued in the previous film.

 

But ... Rian Johnson just made a great film by taking it in a better direction when he had better ideas for what to do.

 

fundamentally i will never abide by the safe and dumb decision to go back to JJ when they had literally infinite possibilities of interesting filmmakers

 

They got scared by the absolute worst of the internet. Probably won't be the last giant company to do it either.

 

No, I know. I'm saying that JJ should have committed to going all in on Kylo being the big bad and various other directions that Johnson decided to go, rather than copping out and bringing back Palpatine along with presumably retconning other things.

 

But the idea of having a master three movie plan would have superseded getting the incredibly great second movie and it wouldn't exist. A more creative director/writer could have taken those lessons in a great place. It appears that didn't happen. That's not the fault of not having a plan, it's kinda the fault of just not being as good of movie makers.

 

This is true. As much as I love this sequel trilogy, J.J. was the safest bet Iger and Kennedy could go with based on him relighting the Star Wars furnace in 2015, and the immediate reaction from TFA.

 

maybe this movie should never come out

 

I said it a few pages ago, J.J. was walking in to one of the most challenging tasks as a writer/director of this.

- Following up to potentially the most divisive and most hated Star Wars movie there is
- Closing a 3 film arc, that had no overarching arc to begin with
- Closing a 9 film, 42 year arc with fans and haters of all ages
- Giving enough fan service to make it feel like Star Wars
- Giving enough new to not make it feel stale
- Moving with the times in regards to representation, casting and commentary
- Answering many unanswered questions over 9 films
- Giving a late actress a respectful and earned send-off
- Putting his name to something he knew would be despised
- All this, while doing his best to tell an emotional and compelling story in the span of 2 and a half hours

The odds were very much stacked against him, and IMO, he did a hell of a job.

 

J.J.: a real Star Wars martyr.

 

fuck fan service

TLJ is an incredible movie btw

 

I honestly think he had a much harder job in the writing department, co-writing this movie with Chris Terrio, for a lot of the reasons you list above and many more. JJ Abrams directing this film from a script written by a writer(s) who is as good of a writer as Rian Johnson is, with the caveat that said writer had at least some of the freedom and leeway to make the type of bold storytelling choices and decisions that Rian Johnson made with TLJ, seems like it would have been a fantastic scenario.

My first choice after seeing TLJ would have been 'Written & Directed by Rian Johnson', but I would have been very, very, very happy with 'Written by Rian Johnson, Directed by J.J. Abrams'.

 

I mean, this is the same Disney that fired James Gunn to make loud internet people happy, then eventually rehired him when letting him stay fired proved to be the less popular option.

So glad they own Fox now.

 

we still dont really know just how much of the way these movies turned out is because of the director

 

Haha. I know I'm harping on about my feelings about this movie, and him as a filmmaker, but I'm very much a "Don't curse the darkness, light a candle" kind of dude.

 

Also, as far as the overall plan argument goes, I definitely see both sides of it. Terrence Malick can shoot hours and hours and hours of footage, go off script, build the film in the edit, drastically rearrange the narrative and the story being told, turn major leading roles into cameos or drop parts altogether, and still come out with fantastic, compelling movies in the end. A very similar filmmaking situation also results in Peter Jackson’s Hobbit films. I think at the end of the day it comes down to the stories being told.

I love this --->

(Emphasis mine.)

 

I don’t rly care if movies have an overarching plan at all — obv the OT didn’t and it turned out great — but it seems clumsy to me to (re)introduce the final villain in the third movie with no sort of lead-in

 

Just opened google to see TROS IS THE WORST STAR WARS MOVIE EVER??? these mf never been haunted by the kiss that should've never been given to them?? Y'all forgot how rough and IRRITATING SAND IS BITCH?? YOUSA DON'T REMEBER BEING IN BIG DOO DOO DIS TIME?????????