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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Rian Johnson, December 15, 2017) Movie • Page 260

Discussion in 'Entertainment Forum' started by Jason Tate, Mar 14, 2016.

  1. theagentcoma

    yeah good okay Prestigious

    "I mean, by all means I was entertained. But there were moments that felt abrupt, they took me out of the movie for a brief moment. I enjoyed the humor, but the style of it felt out of place or tonally different from your typical Star Wars humor. And certain elements (types of force use, character development/decisions, even types of alien species) were conceptually believable in a vast galaxy with many unexplored unknowns, but perhaps too different from the foundation of exposure that we have so far."

    Friend: there were some very abrupt moments… like Snoke getting chopped in half.
    Me: "Yeah what the hell. Who was that guy?! Unsatisfactory character development in my opinion."

    "Leah’s insane force use being completely nonchalant. Oh nbd, she’s a wizard and nobody cares."

    "Rose’s Finn kiss."

    Friend's opening points of the discussion of the film. I haven't responded yet but I will tonight.
     
  2. Don’t spoiler she’s a Skywalker for your friend. Heh.
     
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  3. Dodger

    “The greatest teacher, failure is”

    Basically all of this is exactly my opinions as well.
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    I think the people who cant at least see why Holdo didnt tell Poe at first when hes calling her a traitor and coward and just ignoring how he just sacrificed resources,soldiers, and ships after disobeying an order has never been any kind of leadership role in their life. When he does the mutiny, maybe she shouldve told him, but I doubt somebody who just got overthrown by somebody they already dont trust would trust them enough now to tell him her plan when you dont know if they are secretly working for somebody else.
     
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  4. Fucking Dustin

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    I think it's cool how Leia still goes (went, I guess) by Organa instead of Skywalker. Like she knows who her parents are now and that her brother is a galactic hero and even still she's like "Yeah but Bail and Brehas are my real family" idk it just makes me happy
     
  5. Your Milkshake

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    this is all ive heard from the people I know irl too. I also think theyre valid.
     
  6. a nice person

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    Loyalty to the Royalty *drops mic*
     
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  7. I don't think those valid criticisms are enough for someone to outright hate the movie, though. ...Nor do I think those criticisms are even why the haters hate it.
     
  8. Your Milkshake

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    weve seen the haters hating and its best not to waste time with the crazy

    as for whether logical hangups with a film are enough for someone to hate it, love it, whatever... its obviously up to the individual with anything else
     
  9. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    Yeah, there's way more criticisms than that. As pointed out even in this thread, people are especially annoyed that their theories just got shut down in a way that made Rian feel like he's just trolling those fans. Then there's people annoyed with what they've done to their beloved characters, ie Luke Skywalker. The idea of him even thinking about harming his nephew still sounds absurd to me. I agree with Mark Hamill that Rian had the wrong vision for Luke.

    Then, again imo, there's just a serious of lack of character development from everyone who wasn't Rey, Luke, Kylo Ren. For me, those 3 saved this film.

    I still 'enjoy' the films but Star Wars stopped being exceptional a long, long time ago.
     
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  10. There being exceptional character development for four characters (I’d argue 5) in one movie really is not a good argument against it.
     
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  11. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    It is when the movie is condensed with different sub-plots and characters. Plus the fact there's now only 2+ hours film left for the others to truly shine.
     
  12. So every main character but Finn got fantastic character growth/moments. I don’t understand how this is being argued as a bad thing.
     
  13. Your Milkshake

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    I put off my Rogue One re watch until just now

    immediately the cinematography is fucking astounding. I remember thinking it was the prettiest SW.
     
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  14. (And I’m gonna go out on a limb and say we will see many of these characters in more movies than just one more.)
     
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  15. Dodger

    “The greatest teacher, failure is”

    You think its absurd for somebody to know somebody's going to kill/commit genocide all across the galaxy and have a thought to kill that person?

    I think thats pretty reasonable.

    Luke was about to kill his dad. A known murderer. didnt. Luke was about to kill his nephew. Somebody he saw that would murder. And still didnt.
     
  16. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    Does that include Poe? Because he doesn't even feel like a 'main character'. He was more likeable in TFA, despite being abruptly "killed off" until the end. Still want a lot more from him and it was revelation for me to realise he hadn't even met Rey until the end of TLJ.

    Then there's also who you define as a 'main character'. They do big promotions with actors for their characters when they barely have any significance in the film (ie Captain Phasma). Snoke's death feels underwhelming if that's the last we see of him. So not much character development for the initial proposed main antagonist.
     
  17. Fucking Dustin

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    Do we need to do the time machine/baby Hitler discussion or no?
     
  18. Poe is a main character in this movie.

    I define it by the movie itself, not a movie poster.
     
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  19. a nice person

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    I may be wrong, but wouldn’t Luke seal his fate as a Sith by killing his dad? The “rule of two” thing?
     
  20. Your Milkshake

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    why is it such a thing now to cast alot of British accents in fantasy genre
     
  21. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    I mean, all you're doing is just pointing out Luke's own reasoning, as explained in the film. I saw it and I understand that potential approach. But like Mark Hamill disagreeing, it's just not how I'd personally vision Luke.

    The whole idea of Luke visiting Vader was Luke believing there was still good in him and trying to bring Anakin back. He eventually succeeded. So why fall back on that? It's like he learnt nothing. Plus, it's such a cowardly attack? Imagine if Luke was WRONG and killed his nephew in his sleep over a vision? It's an interesting take on Luke but still seems absurd.
     
  22. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    Then Poe is absolutely not a main character. He was meant to die in TFA until they realised how likeable Oscar Isaac is and brought him back at the end. He isn't a main character in this film either.

    Snoke was more of a main character considering his hierarchy. He's the one who was training Kylo, implying he's the ultimate baddie (until Kylo killed him). I enjoyed his scene but knowing there's [presumably] no more Smoke is underwhelming. The alternative being a conflicted bad guy that may have feelings the protagonist hadn't personally got me enthralled for episode 9.
     
  23. Mark's clarification was worded so much better:
    was quoted as saying to Rian that I fundamentally disagree with everything you decided about Luke, and it was inartfully phrased. What I was, was surprised at how he saw Luke. And it took me a while to get around to his way of thinking, but once I was there it was a thrilling experience. I hope it will be for the audience too. Rian Johnson is an amazing filmmaker. And if you look at Brick, or Brothers Bloom, or Looper, each film is different from the last one and they’re so inventive. And I think people will be really pleased and surprised, I know I was.

    But, after seeing the film, what Rian did with Luke was incredible. Personal wishcasting aside, the arc and depth he got in one movie was very impressive.
     
  24. Jason Tate Dec 20, 2017
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    Ok, that has nothing to do with this film.

    Of course he is. This is just silly to argue otherwise. Poe's arc and character defines a very big portion of this film's story.

    What? No. Who the "main" characters in a film are is not about "hierarchy" in the story ... but the part the actually play. Snoke is a supporting character, and ultimately not that important of one.

    OK? No idea what that has to do with anything we're talking about though.
     
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  25. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    I'd take what he says during the theatrical release of the film with a grain of salt anyway. Lucasfilm would seriously slate him if he gave anything more than could be considered bad press.

    He seemed to be critical of TFA as time went on too.