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Mariel's mother has stated on twitter that she was never, nor has ever been bipolar.

 

Every 10 seconds, someone on Twitter calls a woman a ‘slut’ or ‘whore’

 

ughh, I have to ask this; a link in that piece to Demos official website says this research found at least 50% of those tweets were sent by women - should they not "know better"?!?!? It is not outside the realm of possibility that men who see women tweet that are way less likely to consider their use of slurs - a "if they can use it why can't I" sort of scenario? Or is there something about this that I am likely missing?

I cannot honestly see how online harassment can be policed, let alone stopped. It is too easy to get away with.

 

Amber Heard’s Lawyers Defend Her in Lengthy Statement: ‘Amber Is the Victim’

 

It's internalized misogyny and while it bums me out i don't think it's their fault that men use those words at all. Reminds me of that dumb quote from Mean Girls where they're like "stop calling each other bitches and whores. It just gives men permission to call you that" or however it goes cause I'm too lazy to Google it. Like no, it actually doesnt. Plus some women reclaim words or use them jokingly around their friends which is their right imo

 

I'm the guilty party who says that stuff to my friends.

 

r.e. the bolded, I don't think it's their fault either, but women using those words in a non-joking way will inevitably affect men using them IMO, in 2 ways. One, dumb frat-bro meninist dudes will see it as permission because they are always looking for that slightest hint of an excuse (i've literally seen it in response to this study, I will try & find the example asap), and two, some men who are perhaps looking to not use the word may (not for definite) see the use by women against women & think if they are using it then what's the point of us stopping? - they are "keeping the word alive", so to speak. IDK, I realise after typing all this out that it isn't really my place to discuss this lol.

 

Then those men need to check themselves and learn. If men can't understand why it's not okay to talk to women that way that's their problem

 

while that's a component of it, i think there are much bigger flaws with that study, or at least very poor discussion of data analysis. posting a comment i made on a different site

First, the time period is relatively small, especially for the second study, where it's less than a month. I don't think this would make a significant difference, but it's worth noting. Second, the second study is generally more informative imo, given the broader (but not specifically listed?) selection of words (beyond the first's single vocabulary of "rape"). I'm not sure I see what measures were taken to validate user gender, etc. And perhaps most notable and confusing, I'm not sure that they differentiate serious vs. offensive use per gender. That is, they talk about absolute volume of target words being fairly even split and the absolute percentages of target word use, but I'm not sure I see data that states the percentages that men and women use target words in specific contexts, eg do women use the word "rape" as much as men but 80% of the time it's non-offensive, or do women and men use the word "slut" equally but women use it in the phrase "slut shaming" 50% of the time while men use it in that way only 10% of the time, etc. Again, these might be explained, I only had a few minutes to scan the study, and they don't necessarily invalidate the study, just are worth considering.

Either way, I don't think this is super shocking... Feminism does not attack men, it attacks patriarchy. Patriarchal ideas can be deployed by men or women, maybe as a form of code switching ("I'm a girl but I'm not one of those feminist girls, I get you guys"), as a result of a patriarchal upbringing, or because they legitimately buy into those ideas, whatever. This doesn't really change much, and the backlash All That Bass or Gloria Steinem's Bernie comment got indicate that women participate in sexist behavior, feminists tend to acknowledge this, and it makes perfect sense since patriarchy is a large-scale influence.

Edit: and unfortunately it won't be spread as much as the headline will [that women and men both tweet misogyny at comparable rates], but a sad reminder is that in this study, misogynistic language is still ultimately most harmful to women. Regardless of the speaker, most of these words are still harming and devaluing women.

 

Would you be saying this about black people and the n-word?

 

I found this?
Twitter abuse - '50% of misogynistic tweets from women' - BBC News

 

I say "bitch" jokingly, like when I'm in a game I'm like, (to myself), "YAAAAH BITCHES!" or something. Otherwise I don't really, and never say slut/whore etc.

 

Slut/whore being said by anyone just gives me a full cringe now, even tho I'm sure even five years ago I wouldn't have flinched

 

No, but they're too different IMO. Don't think I've ever seen or heard a black person use the word n***er to another black person, only n***a, and there is a difference. No misogynistic words like slut/whore have been reclaimed yet so I'm not sure about comparisons.
But where n***a is concerned, there are surely white people who look for excuses to use that all the time, no?

This sums it up perfectly - guess I lost sight of that for a while

 

"In 1855 Missouri, an enslaved woman named Celia was tried, convicted, and ultimately executed for killing her owner. Celia confessed: She had tried to put a stop to what had been five years of sexual abuse. At the center of the trial was a dramatic confrontation over the legal standing of enslaved women. Did an enslaved woman have the right to defend herself against sexual assault? Drawing on Celia’s own words, her court-appointed defense team said “yes.”...The Celia Project, a research, publication, and public history collaboration, explores The State of Missouri v. Celia, A Slave and its reverberations in American culture. Our questions are about the role of sexual violence under slavery and emancipation, and its legacy in memory. We are exploring new archival materials. We are engaged with the work of playwrights, artists, and teachers. We are collaborators with activists in Missouri and beyond. Our team of social and cultural historians, literary scholars, and legal analysts brings a expertise to these materials. Celia’s story has transfixed many who seek to explain the legacy of slavery. We invite you to join us."



The Celia Project | A Research Collaboration on the History of Slavery and Sexual Violence

 

Thoughts?

Rose McGowan Calls Out ‘X-Men’ Billboard That Shows Mystique Being Strangled

 

Well, it's a scene from the movie. So...

If it were Oscar Isaac strangling Jeniffer Lawrence while they were just hanging out somewhere, that would be a different story.

 

For me, it's about why did they pick that scene to go on a billboard out of the entire movie?

 

Bad choice for sure. Could have been they were trying to push JLaw and the villain at the same time with the ad, but still not a very wise choice to put on a billboard. They used a gif of the same scene on the Twitter for the movie and it didn't look too good there either.

 

Lack of women in the industry affecting decision making comes to mind.

 

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm willing to bet it's because that might be one instance where a main character is in serious peril.

There is the scene where Prof. X is being squeezed by Apocalypse who has turned into a giant, but this scene is more direct and intense.

I don't know why it has to be looked at as something portraying violence towards women.

Why does everything have to have these undertones? Couldn't the billboard have been used because it is a very striking and intense image?

The argument of not enough women in the industry is somewhat skewed. Are there enough women even interested in filling these positions? That's a valid argument as well.

 

Everything in this is wrong.

 

It has to be seen that way because that's literally what is happening here. Women don't have the luxury of divorcing ourselves from our womanhood when it's convenient, and it impacts every aspect of our daily lives. Thus, there is no way to view these decisions through an "impartial" lens. It was a poor choice because societal and cultural context matters.

And yes, women are interested in occupying creative positions of power. Pretending their absence has to do with a lack of interest as opposed to a culture of toxic masculinity is just silly.

 

not a valid argument, like, at all

 

Yes, there are.