Pinegrove - Skylight (September 28, 2018) Album • Page 46

This is also what I gathered as well

 

Yeah. Evan seems like he has a good heart. Hope the victim comes away alright.

 

In my opinion this band has done basically everything necessary to make things right by the sounds of it.

 

I see some people looking to others to see how they should feel about this, but honestly you need to read that whole thing carefully and just decide for yourself, because there is no right/wrong answer, from what I can tell.

 

The big piece of this for me is that, according to the article, the victims idea of accountability and restorative justice has been completed. I'd love to see some confirmation of that outside of this article that, as other have noted, tries so hard to paint Evan in a flattering light.

 

The other part of this that may be difficult for people in the moment to accept, is that this process should take time. If someone admits their fault and goes through a process, they still have to show changed behavior and that they have learned and grown. It’s not instant, it may take years. So thinking this band is fucked up shouldn’t go away immediately, it could take more time for people to reckon with even if he continues making correct decisions and shows that change.

 

Yeah I get the feeling a lot of people are looking for validation that they can listen to this band. Just read the article and figure it out for yourself.

 

I think this is a clear case of when people like Allen think they're helping a cause but are in fact hurting it. It turns into a put on blast and cancel fest rather than respecting suspected victims wishes, reconciling the issue, working with suspected perpetrators of abuse, making amends and working on therapy and fixing issues, getting full context and understanding differences between sexual abuse, coercion, cheating, predatory behaviors, etc.

I'm glad we have this clarity out there and than Evan has found help and there seems to be a mutual understanding between all involved parties.

I do find the whole getting permission to release an album and go on tour a bit...odd. especially given the not so black and white nature of the situation. But it really seems like he's done everything to cover his bases, even fighting against those that defended pinegrove no matter what happened .

 

idk i've read the whole thing and can kind of agree with a lot of what's been said in here to this point. i would still love to hear some perspective from women before i jump the gun and un-cancel.

 

what a truly odd scenario

 

Exactly. if this article came out by itself, fine. This came out with the announcement of an album dropping in two days. That part confuses me, too. Probably should've waited a while longer to let people digest this.

 

Glad to hear that Evan has taken restorative justice seriously, has followed the victim’s wishes and seems to be in a stable, healthy headspace. This band meant a lot to me for a while but it’s not the same for me anymore. Hasn’t been for a long time. The entire situation was extremely messy and on a personal level, quite triggering as well. I felt uneasy reading that entire article and I’m still feeling overwhelmed. I can’t look at Evan the way I once did, despite his growth. I am very happy that he’s taken large steps to improve himself and learn about consent and accountability but their music won’t ever make me feel safe again

 

Yup. That’s basically what the last paragraph of the piece states. Quite nicely

 

the entire idea of this being about cancelling and uncancelling is why this became such a mess in the first place

 

I didn't mean that I thought they were releasing too soon.

I meant that I thought it was odd that the other party involved in the situation had the power and say to determine whether Pinegrove could release anymore music or go on tour. Because the situation was a lot of misinterpretation and some disagreements on how things were said or taken.

It wasn't as if there was straight up abuse that needed to be punished for. It just sounded like an unhealthy messed up mixed communication situation between two people that was resolved through working with a mediator and therapy and finding an amicable end.


Which, props to Evan and the band for going overboard to making sure their wishes were met. Just seems like....a LOT of responsibility and power (record deals, tour dates, other band members livelihoods) in someone's feelings over a situation that wasn't very black and white in explicit wrong doing. If he sexually assaulted someone, than I could see that. But that's not up to me to decide I suppose as I am not involved and don't know every detail.

 

i guess my larger point is do i want to hype up a band that's going to make others feel uncomfortable when i still don't even know quite how to feel about the piece? i'm just trying to listen right now and not jump to any conclusions

 

I just think using language like cancelling and uncancelling is an awful way to go about these things

 

that's fair. my bad.

 

Honestly, surprised more of this discussion isn't focused on this Allen woman completely overstepping her boundaries on professional and personal levels.

Even if she was trying to help, you can not misrepresent yourself in the manner she did to multiple individuals throughout this process. Misconstrued information from all directions.

 

yeah no. I'll pass. how are you guys not seeing through this bullshit

 

This article might flatter Evan as some are saying, but it also seems way too informed and well-written to be boiled down to a flattery piece. Plus, if the guy's been receiving death threats and being accused by fans of being rapist, maybe he could use some love at this point?

Not really a Pinegrove listener myself, but if everything is as this article says, it's really encouraging that we might actually get some resolution and healing out of one of these scenarios. That's rare. It's also a really informative piece about how NOT to go about "defending" victims. The perpetrator must be held accountable, no matter how serious or slight the situation is, but accusers who are NOT the victims should be held accountable for their accusations too. I don't see that talked about much because everyone just starts yelling when things like this happen, but here's a circumstance where a well-meaning person (Allen) ended up causing more pain for Evan and the victims by trying to "help". This needs to be talked about too.

 

They're making it all about the Punk Talks breach of boundaries to just completely elude what evan did to uh, multiple people. It's incredible. I'm shaking in anger, this dude is toxic waste and none of these people know what restorative justice is, they're just using it as a buzzword to get their buddy his band's back and make money off it. The fucking cheek of it.

 

it wasnt multiple people autumn said she was not a victim and the original victim said evan has taken the right steps to be able to put out the album with her blessing. like what more do you want?

 

As someone who is friends with Autumn and spoke with them many times throughout their short relationship with Evan, they have always been clear that they were not abused or victimized by Evan. They are allowed to feel that way and define their experience, even if people don't like it. That's the first thing I'd like to say about this entire piece. I have a lot of things I'm thinking about, but as Autumn's friend, I do not want anyone undermining their own words.

 

I wasn't talking about autumn, I wasn't even aware that autumn had anything to do with this before today. There are literally other people that he was a creep to lol, the main person I know of has their account locked rn so I don't want to post until they decide to speak about this but just letting yall know this is fucking outrageous. Also :