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Did they advertise it poorly? I feel like I watched the videos they put out and knew exactly what kind of game this was.

I've seen other discussions about this around the net and there does seem to be a disconnect though, with some people saying there was no mention of visual novel elements and others saying visual novel elements were mentioned at every turn.

My conclusion, like it is 90% of the time, is that people are dumb.

 

I’ve rewatched the launch trailer and there are only 10 seconds worth of combat gameplay and everything else is the dialog heavy stuff.

People didn’t stop to ask themselves why and made zero effort as supposedly smart consumers to inform themselves.

It’s not like they were excited for a game under false pretenses but turned out was full of bugs and issues that went unreported. They just are pretending that Digimon Survive was sold as something completely different from their advertisements which I don’t agree with.

Even this prelaunch trailer shows the visual novel elements and presents them as core gameplay.

In the description, they even say “digimon survive blends visual novel storytelling with tactical battle elements”.

All these streamers and youtubers needed an axe to grind for clicks. If they’re as tuned into the game world as they say, they shouldn’t have been “duped” by this marketing.

 

i think the discourse on survive is kind of extreme on both sides. yeah the trailers do show a lot of the visual novel aspects but also try to sell it on being a tactical rpg with monster raising elements. the gameplay trailer says "blends visual novel storytelling with tactical battle elements". i dont think its unfair for someone to expect both things to be represented equally in the game, which by most indications they are not. i also dont think we should poo poo people because they arent as glued in to video game coverage as people on this thread are. there shouldnt have to be an expectation that consumers are totally keyed in on every aspect of the game's rollout if they want to have an opinion on the game they just bought. i knew survive was heavy on the visual novel stuff so i avoided it because thats not really my thing, but i only knew that from an interview with the game's developer.

regardless i think its ok to be disappointed by this game being so focused on visual novel elements. for many the draw of a new digimon game is collecting and raising cool digimon to fight other cool digimon in an rpg setting. if it doesnt meet that expectation for someone feeling disappointed with the game is an acceptable reaction. doesnt matter how much they advertise it, if the next metroid game is a turn based rpg, or the next pokemon game is an fps im probably going to be disappointed. i get the visual novel storytelling aspect is loved by many people here and youre all enjoying the game, thats great. i just dont understand all the huffing and puffing over other people not being into it.

now i know there are some people out there whose reaction to it has been over the top, saying theyve been scammed and lied to. obviously thats not the case and are a result of internet discourse always moving towards hyperbole. its stupid but so is that tweet posted earlier about "developing a reading comprehension". people are allowed to have their preferences and expectations. throwing a fit because they werent met comes across as self entitled but so does ridiculing anyone who isnt down with it.

 

I don't think anyone is getting down on anyone for simply not liking the game. All of the discourse in this thread I'm aware of is geared toward the extremist reactions, which, as you've agreed, are extremist reactions.

It is a shame we live in an internet culture where a mob can review bomb and try to tear down something for very flippant and spurious reasons. It's one thing to not like the game. it's another thing to make a controversy out of it.

 

I feel like it was poorly marketed, but more specifically when they had announced the release date back in April.

No one is huffing and puffing about it, and I understand some people aren’t into visual novels, that’s fine, but people need to know what they’re getting into. I don’t want anyone setting themselves up for disappointment and wasting sixty bucks on something that isn’t going to be for them, you know?

 

Yeah, actually, I take it back. I think it's perfectly okay to call someone who blows 60 bucks on something without knowing what it is an absolute moron.

 

I’m fine with this as well

 

this is a horrendous take. they have an idea of what it is, a digimon game. thats why they bought it. you see how by getting angry to the overrreaction youve now overextended to an overreaction of your own. that is the point, the discourse has moved towards overreactions on both ends.

 

Seems like a bit of an overreaction to a post that is certainly in jest, even if slightly honest

 

I mean, firstly, I'm mostly joking, so take it back a notch.

Second, I get it, you know the brand so you think you have a solid idea of what you're supposed to be getting, but I think that's a horrendous way to think.

Blindly buying something without even reading about it a little bit is a recipe for disappointment, boiling down to an impulse, in which case you get what you get. You then learn from the mistake.

I mean, you used Metroid as an example, and there's been Metroid pinball for Christ's sake.

It's like if I buy milk, expecting milk, without reading first that what I'm buying is almond milk, and then I get home and drink it and get disappointed because it's not cow milk. Well I'm an idiot for not reading the label, right?

 

Yeah but it’s a completely different spin on a digimon game so it’s unfortunate that some people aren’t gonna notice that til they start the game.

 

Actually, I'll give another example, that actually happened to me, just to show I'm not immune to the same dumb logic.

I once bought a small Chug bottle of buttermilk, because I'd never had buttermilk, it came in a drinking bottle, and I thought I knew what it might taste like.

I put my groceries in the car, got in my driver's seat, took a swig of the bottle, immediately spat it back up, ran to my trunk, and chugged something else to get the taste out of my mouth.

In this scenario, I was a fucking moron for not reading up on what buttermilk was and what it might taste like before buying it, because it tasted literally like a liquid stick of butter.

And that's what these people spending $60 blindly on a game just because they think they should know what Digimon tastes like end up being: drinking a liquid stick of butter.

 

youre (mostly) joking but still calling people morons. maybe that should get taken down a notch? i also think its pretty well documented that the marketing wasnt clear about just how much of the game was purely visual novel elements. no one is surprised it has a story and that there are visual novel elements, what people are surprised by is how much of the game is purely that vis a vis the actual monster raising and tactics rpg elements. the trailers imply theres a balance between the two styles, there isnt. and thinking anyone who isnt spending their time researching the new digimon video game beyond the trailers is stupid is toxic nerd bs.

also those are completely different scenarios. if the only way to tell that the almond milk isnt cows milk was to either try it or read some info on their website, youre probably not an absolute moron for thinking it might be something different.

its fine for it to be different some people clearly like and others dont. but even youve said it was poorly marketed. the trailers arent clear on just how much of the game is a straight up visual novel. which is why i take offense that buying and not knowing 100% what the game entailed beyond "digimon rpg with a tactics system" is something that should be ridiculed. saying theyre morons or need to develop reading comprehension is just as toxic as lashing out against the game as ripoff. which was my point originally, theres room for nuance not sure why we're supposed to be so against one thing but excuse the other.

 

Steps, you can be honest with us. Are you one of those people? It's alright, come clean. We won't judge.

 

im sitting on 100 copies of digimon survive and nobody wants to take them off my hands because its too much reading!!!

all jokes aside, im really not trying to be an asshole here. i just dont see why to call out one aspect of toxic gaming culture we have to be comfortable with another.

 

Tbf buttermilk is an alluring name

 

I know, right?! I thought it was gonna be like sweet or something, and instead it was just BLARRGGH.

 

Blame the confusion on the marketing, baby

 

Buttermilk just sounds disgusting all in itself, yuck

 

Well it does now, but at the time I was thinking it'd be like butterscotch.

Spoiler alert: It's not.

 

RIP

 

I understand where you are coming from partly, but also people shouldn’t buy games without looking at reviews etc. first I think. It’s really easy in 2022 to not buy a game you wouldn’t enjoy.

Also complaining about the concept of a Digimon game being a visual novel to me would only make sense if it was made instead of another Digimon game, but that is not how it works.

 

People are in fact, morons.

 

I rarely ever buy a game without looking at some of the reviews first. I have to have strong faith in a game series (legend of Zelda) to buy a game without reading up on it.

 

Look up reviews? The only thing I’m looking up is my own ass after not reading the label on this bottle of premium brand buttermilk.