Marvel Cinematic Universe Movie • Page 347

that show sucked but i do think john walker could be decent in thunderbolts*

*prepping myself for that movie to suck shit too

 

I just want the best for Wyatt Russell

 

John Walker was ok because Russell is a fun actor. Only reason. Stoked to see him utilized under a better writer.

 

say again and tell me you've watched every episode of *checks notes* monarch: legacy of monsters with a straight face

 

I've said it before, and I'll say it a million times. Right now we're in the middle of the story. We have hindsight without the benefit of foresight, so we can see where we've been, but not where we're going. So it's impossible to know if there's a "better order" this all could go in because we're not at the end yet.

Like, in the middle of Phase 2, sure, we knew Thanos was potentially where we were building, but let's not pretend there weren't a lot of story arcs happening along the way that were self-contained and didn't necessarily have to do with the Infinity Stones or Thanos. It's just now we can see how we clearly got from Point A to Point B.

 

And he is the best part of the show

 

I did see a trailer for some blumhouse horror movie that Russell’s in and that looks bad

overlord was also sick

 

Would we have had time for it? Or time for Bucky to have his bonding experience with Sam's family? I mean, how do you choose what parts to excise?

 

How many hours of content did we have to see through from Iron Man to Ultron and how much narrative progression was made? We had the Avengers form, fight 2 major battles, watched SHIELD fall, watched the Avengers break up, etc. in the same amount of time we’ve watched phases 4 and 5. The later severely lacks what the former has.

Phases 4 and 5 have what anime fandoms call “filler”

 

I’m sure we would have. The important moments in FATWS could easily be condensed down to 2 hours. Take those important moments, mix them up under a competent writer, and you have a re-watchable film. Not a 4.5 hour show most won’t sit through again

 

If we didn’t have the Disney+ shows, we wouldn’t have… idk, an Avenger somehow not being able to get a bank loan or some shit. How could we miss out on that???

 

In what way? Like, we had films that established each core hero and their respective supporting cast, and we got introduced to SHIELD, the Avengers Initiative, and a bunch of villains, but in terms of the core Infinity Gems plot?

A couple showed up, got shuffled around, and we knew Thanos was looking for them for some reason we weren't privy to at that point in time. That's about it.

 

Who is deciding what moments are important though? Like, do you think we can get an accurate consensus? Because I think some people will say the moments unrelated to punching faces can go away and others will say the moments about punching faces can go away, and we'll never get an agreement.

What would you say are the important story beats? How would you go about it?

 

If I’m the writer then I would decide based on what challenges and pushes the character forward. I’m not a competent writer so I won’t spill out my 90-page screenplay right now.

The Disney+ shows contain a lot of material that’s there to reach the quota for a 4 - 5 hour tv show just for the sake of it appearing to be a show. Marvel didn’t know what they were doing and it’s why they treated a lot of Disney+ shows as extended films instead of actual shows. They were subscription grabs and that’s all they needed to be. It’s why a lot can be avoided during rewatches. They exist for Chapek.

 

I wonder if Wanda can get a loan

I liked the John Walker character. Thought that was effective.

She hulk was not as bad as people made it seem

 

No way Wanda even has a social security number

 

Just look at the miles traveled in almost the same amount of material released.

First Avengers intro + team up, fall of SHIELD, Ultron, civil war, intro of Strange and Black Panther (both of which heavily impacted the narrative), the snap, and Endgame.

Compared to…rings and bracelets that Marvel still hasn’t revealed the core history of, no team up, Loki becomes He Who Remains, and…Guardians breaking up.

Phases 1 - 3 ran down the field and into the end zone, phases 4 and 5 are not even in field goal range and the games have went on for roughly the same time.

 

The fact that you can't even answer the question is what ticks me off about this kind of criticism. It's really easy to say "oh, they should just condense this thing into this many hours" but if you can't tell me what should be cut out to make it work, then it's just nonsense. And more often than not what gets cut out is important to someone. That's another thing that happens in anime.

 

Sorry I won’t reveal my own personal two phase plan. I guess I just have to like what Marvel has done

 

Okay, first, that first part is for the entire Infinity Saga, not the first two phases, so you're cheating there.

Second, that second part is a real bad faith take on what's happened so far this phase. We've had a lot of new heroes turn up, many of which are being mentored or spinning off of the old guard.

We have what happened to Loki, sure, and we also have several characters being introduced to the concept of the multiverse and the problems that come with it, like incursions, which have come up more than once.

We have the government trying to make their own hero team that they can supervise because they clearly don't want to rely upon the Avengers anymore.

There are a lot of other little subplots going on too, but these are the big driving arcs of this phase.

 

You don't have to like what they've done, but if you're going to offer alternative suggestions, it helps to have at least put some thought behind them.

 

Look, even if you wanna argue that everything Marvel Studios has produced in the past few years has been good-to-great (which would be a wild ass argument imo, but you do you)… too much of a good thing in too little time is a thing. Oversaturation is a thing to avoid.

And also, it’s ok to drop individual things that are good in and of themselves for the sake of the bigger work those things are part of. “Kill your darlings” is a famous, important part of the creative process.

 

But it's the same amount of time. Basically Marvel fit an entire saga while phases 4 and 5 have done almost nothing. We have many new heroes, yes, and they've been in 1 or 2 projects. Same amount of time in phases 1 - 3 and they would have been in 3, 4, maybe 5 projects.

You say we have the government making their own team, but that's still in a film that won't be released until maybe 2025. We have seen nothing aside from the 3 minutes Valentina spoke to Walker, which would be nearly 4 years once Thunderbolts is released. We have had more material, we've had more characters, but the characters are simply just not doing much other than being cast and filmed to appear in one project with the expectation that we'll see them years later.

It's weird, it's like more important things happened when Marvel had fewer projects.

 

I have some thoughts, but I don't see my thoughts being essential to critiquing the last few years of Marvel. It's not like my own thoughts will reverse what Marvel has done. Marvel's mistakes are still there and I still see them.

 

I have, the show rules.