Kanye West - ye & Kids See Ghosts (June 1 & 8 2018) Album • Page 180

So we looking forward to the new Nas album or what? I will be very very surprised if I end up liking it more then Daytona or KSG. Definitely should be better then Ye though.

 

Do CDs that come with concert tickets count in those sales? I wonder if that is what is going on with DMB.

 

They’re still a well known band with a large fan base, not surprising at all

 

nas is actually physically abusive tho

 

I believe so, I think there’s been s handful of big names that have done this to inflate their first week numbers.

 

That would make sense... I think Gorillaz is doing this with their upcoming tour. Rough math: 5 US dates x 18k CDs each = 90k more CDs for the first week numbers.

 

Butttttt the only way they count as a sale is if the ticket purchaser redeems the download code/fills out the mailing info for the physical cd. You'd be surprised how slowly people do that. It's the reason why Metallica's last album was staying on the charts for so long.

 

Or they just ship you a copy with the ticket

 

im not even gonna listen out of curiosity tbh

 

Updated credits for ye were added to Tidal, including Drake as lyricist and composer on "Yikes"

 

everyone: the lyrics on 'yikes' are fucking terrible

kanye: DRAKE DID IT

 

but at the same time....

billboard: "Yikes" is Kanye's highest charting song since FourFiveSeconds
Drake: CREDIT ME RIGHT THIS MOMENT

 

Updated Credits for both albums, here's a list of some notable names. If I missed some let me know.

Ye:
Consequence and Cyhi credited all over the album
Wiley and Skepta are credited on I Thought About Killing You
Drake and Pierre Bourne are credited on Yikes
Justin Vernon now credited on Wouldn't Leave
Caroline Shaw on No Mistakes
Kevin Parker and Irv Gotti are now credited on Violent Crimes.

KSG:
Justin Vernon, Evan Mast, and Cashmere Cat are credited on Feel The Love
Evan Mast is on Fire
Justin Vernon is credited on Kids See Ghost
Mr Hudson has vocals on Cudi Montage

Evan Mast=Ratatat for those who don't know.

 

Surprised to see Consequence credited. Didn't he and Kanye have a big falling out?

 

Wouldn’t call it big, just some disagreements. They’re pretty close again.

 

Ty Dollar sign is on one of the tracks no? Could’ve sworn I heard him

 

On ye? He's on All Mine, Wouldn't Leave, and Violent Crimes. On KSG he's on Freeee.

 

Yeah haven’t listened to ye, but I thought I heard him somewhere on KSG.

 

I think the PartyNextDoor feature on Ghost Town is actually the best moment on ye.

 

Could've sworn that I heard the intro from "Perth" starting at 1:44 in "Feel The Love" looks like I was right.

 

Sorry if this has already been posted, couldn't see it. A good explanation of why people feel the need to defend the behavior of artists they love against all logic. Applies to many more artists than just Kanye West:

“There are things that Kanye has done and has put into his music that a lot of people can relate to,” he says. “Being an outcast. Growing up in a rough city. Feeling like an outsider. Doing things that people said you couldn’t do. Rising to the top and being the best out. Kanye has given us all these things. I keep going back to that point of relatability, because a lot of artists don’t give us that.

“Music means a lot to people,” he continues. “It saves people from suicide, from the bad things in their lives, and Kanye has been explicit about what it saved him from. So people pull from those elements and think they got to be the knight in shining armor to save Kanye in return: ‘I gotta be that fan that defends him no matter what!’ I know that sounds ridiculous, but that’s the mindset. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it.”
(From Pitchfork)

 

I actually am of the mindset that most of us - including the people who say "why on earth don't any of you care what this person did" - already understand WHY it's so hard not to separate the art from the artist. I think to say that particular behavior isn't understood or relatable is just naive. At the very least, it's more complex than that.

It's a choice. A very, very difficult choice at times, but a choice nonetheless. And the fact that some choose to do the more difficult thing doesn't mean they don't understand those who don't. In fact, understanding that choice is part of what can make it so frustrating.

I dunno. Being disagreed with isn't the same as not being understood, and I think that's a crutch a lot of people fall back on when they feel cornered or don't want to examine the implications of their own argument. (Not coming for anyone and obviously this is situational, by the way. Just saying my take on the quote presented.)

 

I don't buy the "Kanye is an underdog" argument and never did. The guy was loved and adored in music circles for years - you were the pariah if you criticized him from like 2009 to 2015! Do people not remember that at all?

 

The narrative of his career has always been that of the underdog-- the college dropout who made beats in the background while basically begging to make his own album and get that big push, always being met with resistance. Then he bucked traditional hip hop norms, wearing jeans that fit and bright, feminine colors... Around Graduation that narrative had shifted, but there have always continued to be elements. How downtrodden he was during 808s, and of course the barriers he undoubtedly has met when trying to break into fashion.

I know how much he has meant to me personally, how much he means to so many people of so many different backgrounds for the very real soul and empowerment his music has given people. He's been a positive force for much of his career. I also think there needs to come a point in your evolution as a consumer of art where you grow past an unabashed love of someone/something, and can recognize the nuance present in it. It shouldn't have to take a "BILL COSBY INNOCENT" or "Slavery was a choice", and maybe it won't always be as extreme as that. But you can still gain a lot through music while dialing back the idolatry of the artist as a human being. Our mindset as fans can't be so single-minded and black and white, ie: "the music is good and makes me feel good, I have to defend him as good because of it".

 

Idk I still don't buy the underdog thing. I get he had to break out, put in the work in the beginning, and OK yeah through the wire, but... don't all artists struggle at first too? Is his story really that different? And the fashion thing I get a bit bc the higher echelons of that industry are tough to break into, but he did do an internship with Fendi and he's been doing Yeezy's successfully since like, 2009.

It just seems to me a lot of the underdog narrative is driven by Kanye himself, and no one ever really questioned it. It's the same thing with Trump ironically enough, though the gulf is even wider with his whole underdog BS. Never mind his wealth, fame, power, *ahem* Russian connections, etc. - HE'S AN UNDERDOG!