Joker (Todd Phillips, October 4, 2019) Movie • Page 62

Straight up forgot that movie came out

 

i haven't seen this yet, mainly because it looks awful, but it is clearly pretty far from out of the public consciousness. quite the opposite haha.

 

Okay thank you for confirming this for me. I was beginning to research whether or not I should watch the film

 

Aladdin will be in plenty of conversations, whether good or bad, when people talk about movies that came out this year. Just because this thread is too cool for it doesn’t mean it won’t

 

I feel like "great" is quite the stretch when talking Aladdin, but when I was forced to watch it on a youth camp field trip, I did like more about it than I expected. Everything that recreated the animated classic was predictably lifeless, & the drama all fell flat. However, the moments of awkward humor landed w/ surprising consistency. (Me thinking the whole idea was awkward probably amplified that, lol.)

Still kinda want a sequel based on Return of Jafar, which I randomly liked a lot as a young boy. And, definitely glad I was forced to see that instead of Lion King, which, oh my gosh, the clips I saw online recently were bad.

To bring this full circle, if I ranked everything I saw this year, Aladdin would be higher than Joker.

 

I mean in terms of family/friends, the kids at school and the variety of people I follow on Twitter who are heavily invested in the entertainment industry (as well as the ones who were posting all of the dumb shit, positive or negative, before the release), I feel like the last thing I saw about this was a meme or two about the stairs around Halloween.

 

I agree with this. Except I did see this and it is indeed bad, like this is not out of the public consciousness

 

I was at a festival just this weekend and some dude was walking around dressed as this version of the joker

 

idk man. like people said, it's still making boatloads of money a month out of release, phoenix is probably going to get nominated, and a bunch of mouthbreathers in basements are still going to task about how people were unfair with their treatment of it, which is obviously bullshit. but the narrative, unfortunately, seems pretty far from dead.

 

It will absolutely rear its head during the Oscars and EOTY lists, sure. I'm just saying that the fear mongering that took place prior to the movie looks like some Y2K shit. Reputable film critics were legitimately calling this film "dangerous".

 

i agree with that. i think that's a different conversation entirely.

 

Yeah, maybe I should have rephrased. The amount of people who treated this film like a credible threat to society, caused mass panic and anxiety with a ton of people for no reason, and then have immediately moved on from the film a week after its release is pretty wild.

 

Lol no one in this thread is “too cool” for Aladdin. But we’re also not pretending it had the same impact as any of Disney’s other live action remakes in any way except financially.

 

i am definitely too cool for aladdin, catch me ignoring that corny shit

 

Yeah I would consider myself too cool for Aladdin as well. I am also too cool for Todd Phillips's joker movie

 

Now this I for sure agree with.

Sure, Jan.

 

I’ll put it this way: Aladdin has had roughly the same cultural and critical impact as fellow billion dollar movies Lion King (2019) and Beauty and the Beast (2017)

 

That has been a big trend. Movies make a ton of money because people are just going to see things that are out and other people are going, but they don't last in the cultural consciousness in any serious way.

Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland crossed a billion dollars about a decade ago, back when that was an extremely rare number. Does anyone remember a single scene or line from that movie?

 

When you look at the way Jaws and Terminator and E.T. and Jurassic Park and Star Wars and Indiana Jones resonated for years, a lot of these current movies haven't been able to keep up. The Dark Knight is probably the closest thing, but they have literally had two other Jokers in the decade since. Avatar broke a ton of records, but famously very few people remember it well.

 

The only things I remember from Burton’s Alice are Stephen Fry as the Cheshire Cat and that godawful dance Depp did in one scene.

 

Oh god I didn't even see the Lion King at number 2 for the year. I should have picked on that over Aladdin

 

both Jurassic World films also have over a billion dollars and I don't even remember the second one coming out last year lol

 

i don't think money is a be all end all of films staying in the conversation, but it does seem to be extra support in this case

 

Yes, but blockbusters used to be more of a cultural moment.

Part of this is because we consume entertainment differently (they didn't have 100 streaming services in the 80s), but it is because the big movies, particularly superheroes, are recycled in a way previous blockbusters were not. There were other shark movies trying to be Jaws and there were alien movies trying to be E.T., but they stood the test of time partly because of quality and also because they weren't rebooted constantly.

It was 19 years between Jack Nicholson Joker and Heath Ledger Joker, 8 years from Ledger to Jared Leto, and 3 years from Leto to Joaquin Phoenix. Even if a lot of people think this Joker was great, there is going to be another version so quickly that it won't have time to develop nostalgia. They will make a bigger and louder Avengers sooner or later with new versions of the superheroes whose actors bowed out. It is the most extreme type of disposable film.

 

i was talking to some friends about this earlier. absolutely. the fact that inception was a massive hit almost a decade ago and quite similar movies now barely break even is directly the fault of movies with capes