Invasion of Ukraine • Page 166

I think the one glaring omission here though is Ukraine, or maybe more specifically the govt that Ukrainians elected, wanted to do more business with one of those ‘empires’ and got invaded for it

 

U.S. to sanction one of Russia’s largest banks – media

 

Psychopaths.

 

“Officials said Mr. Biden was persuaded to make the change in part by the sheer audacity of Russia’s decision to throw North Korean troops at Ukrainian lines.

The weapons are likely to be initially employed against Russian and North Korean troops in defense of Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region of western Russia".

Yes, you’re right. Russia is invading Ukraine, while North Korea, an uninvolved country, aligns itself politically with Russia and is currently engaging in said invasion of Ukraine.

But continue speaking out because Ukraine can hit back in ways that actually could shift the war in its favor. Thanks for doing your part.

 

I have three children and I’d rather they not inherit a world of ashes. You can continue to root for your favorite shitty, corrupt government though. Don’t mind me.

 

Ok then take it up with Russia for 1) starting an invasion they can’t win without nukes 2) bringing in an unrelated third party that drastically escalated the situation for the defending country.

Don’t shit on the calls for the defending country to help itself against the odds while they fight a monstrous, nuke-welding aggressor that will continue to make threats if their conquering is not appeased.

but if this makes you feel better so you can stop freaking out when Russia sends North Kor…I mean, when Ukraine gets fair assistance while defending itself against an aggressor, you can read it

A Timeline of Russia’s Nuclear Threats Against the West

Biden also announced this after his meeting with Xi. I’m confident the escalation in Ukraine was talked about. Xi would 99% abandon Putin if Putin used nukes.

 

I don’t understand. Is Russia a monstrous, nuke-wielding aggressor that won’t stop, or a country that can’t win without foreign assistance from North Korea?

In any case, my tax dollars fuel the side that wants to keep escalating when they could have had peace three years ago, and who could have made allies out of Russia post Cold War instead of plundering them to the degree that they feel the need to strike out. So I’ll continue to call them psychopaths.

 

1. “I don’t understand. Is Russia a monstrous, nuke-wielding aggressor that won’t stop, or a country that can’t win without foreign assistance from North Korea?”

Yes


2. “In any case, my tax dollars fuel the side that wants to keep escalating when they could have had peace three years ago”

By “peace” you mean giving all occupied land to Russia. And I didn’t know your tax dollars funded Russia when they brought in North Korea, arguably the largest escalation the war as seen - turning the regional war into a much larger conflict? You might need to inform someone of that.


3. “who could have made allies out of Russia post Cold War insteadof plundering them to the degree that they feel the need to strike out”

They did when the US, UK, and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014 and its subsequent military actions in eastern Ukraine and beyond directly violated these assurances.

 

1) non-sensical

2) Discussions in April of 2022 saw preliminary agreements for returning to pre-invasion lines. My tax dollars fund the largest, most aggressive empire in history. Bringing in some malnourished, porn addicted NK soldiers is not on the same level as sending arms from nearly every major western country, turning the war into a more larger regional conflict.

3) what does that have to do with the plunder of Russia and the constant NATO encroachment that happened in the years since 1994, something that even Biden had n 1997 warned would provoke a response from Russia. They knew what would happen and did it anyway. Like a bunch of psychopaths.

 

1) I don’t recall Russia ever agreeing to any proposed negotiations that involved them giving up occupied lands. If you can find it, I’ll be glad to read it.

2) It’s not about the strength of NK soldiers, it’s the fact that Russia brought in troops from a third party that was unrelated to the conflict. That now requires a tougher negotiation because you will have to get two counties out of Ukraine instead of one. You also have 2 kings who will have their ego crushed if they do not get everything they thought they would get.

No western troops are in Ukraine. You now have East Asian troops in Ukraine. That’s a massive escalation.

3) It has everything to do with the situation. Russia guaranteed that it would not invade Ukraine. It wasn’t implied, it wasn’t a “read in between the lines,” it was on the dotted line. Russia broke that.

NATO’s open-door policy neither states nor promises to any entity that it will refuse membership to nations that choose to join in accordance with their own sovereignty.

Almost every geopolitical figure could “know” how Russia would react because it’s Russia. That doesn’t excuse Russia what did. You can’t invade sovereign nations because those nations willingly join an organization.

 

“One of the many myths and legends surrounding the Russian invasion of Ukraine is the idea that Kyiv rejected a reasonable Russian peace deal in the early weeks of the war. In reality, recently obtained documentsconfirm that the terms offered by the Kremlin in spring 2022 would have left Ukraine partitioned, disarmed, internationally isolated, and utterly unable to defend itself against further Russian aggression. In other words, Vladimir Putin’s alleged peace proposal was in fact a call for unconditional surrender and a blueprint for the destruction of the Ukrainian state.”

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...s-a-blueprint-for-the-destruction-of-ukraine/

 

Nice non-biased source there lmao

 

You guys really are becoming more and more like MAGA each day. Just denying anything that goes against your narrative. Here’s another source from independent journalists in Russia.

“Russia demanded that Ukraine drastically reduce its military and cede partially occupied territories, as well as that the West lift its sanctions, in the early stages of peace talks during Moscow’s 2022 invasion, the investigative outlet Systema reported Monday, citing a draft treaty proposal it said it obtained.”

Russia Demanded 'Neutralization' of Ukraine in Early Peace Treaty – Reports - The Moscow Times

It’s quite hilarious that you believe Putin would invade a country and months later be willing to leave all areas that he occupied and go home empty handed. How does the KGB lemonade taste

 

there is no evidence of DPRK troops in Ukraine or Russia

 

I've seen plenty of evidence of DPRK troops being there, including videos from Russian soldiers themselves trying to teach DPRK troops common Russian words out in the field. Of course, you could say they were instead filmed at some training ground farther east, but its most likely either in occupied Ukrainian territory or just on the other side of the border.

 

You saw a video staged by the KCIA

 

Oh ok, I didn't know that

Not even Putin nor Kremlin press secretary Peskov have denied the reports of North Korean troops being there

 

Being deployed?

 

Putin does not deny North Korea has sent soldiers to Russia

"Asked by a reporter about satellite imagery apparently showing North Korean troop movements, Putin said: “Images are a serious thing. If there are images, then they reflect something.”

He repeated his claims that the west had escalated the Ukraine crisis and said Nato officers and instructors were directly involved in the Ukraine war.

“We know who is present there, from which European Nato countries, and how they carry out this work,” Putin said.

The US and South Korea have said that North Korean troops have reached Ukraine and, although Putin may be being deliberately ambiguous to lower Ukraine morale, it is also striking he did not deny the allegations given a high-profile opportunity to do so."

Ukraine releases video said to show North Korean troops in eastern Russia

 

You are right that there is evidence they are in Russia, apologies I just woke up. But those videos are nonsense man. That passport is not even the right color for a DPRK passport. There is no evidence that isn't from western aligned intelligence agencies that DPRK troops have been deployed to Ukraine and using that as pretense to escalate the war is psychopathic.

 

Ok, so the videos have potential to be fake (unlikely), but the fact that Putin and Co. aren't denying the troops lends itself to the idea that DPRK troops are/will be sent to the front.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if they are sent to the front. Putin didn’t care about North Korean citizens before the war and he doesn’t care about them now. To him, it’s better if a Korean dies on Ukrainian soil than a Russian.