Hip-Hop Thread Genre • Page 63

Just because someone listens to a certain style of music doesn't mean they need to know the pioneers of the genre. I'd even argue that listening to "a classic" when you're only adjusted to the modern styles of the genre might make your first listen to the classic even stronger

 

anyways.... can I make Madvilliany my AOTY?

 

got dam can't believe there are people who don't know about outkast pre-speakerboxxx/the love below.

not hating on that record but every single album before that one is straight up 10/10

 

love below kind of sucks

 

I love having that experience of hearing these old albums for the first time and going "OHHH SO THATS WHERE <insert artist> grabs his inspiration".

 

@OotyPa I'm not saying they have to know. I'm just saying there is often a noticeable difference of opinion regarding an artist or album based on how deep someone is into Hip Hop, musically and culturaly. As least that's how it seems to me.

@matthaber Thanks man, that's very interesting. It's funny because I did in some ways get into Hip Hop because I could relate, partly because I moved to another country when I was 12 and had trouble fitting in (there is more there, but it does not matter, haha). I started with artists that were more relatable to me, which led me to understanding enough about the greater culture that I was able to find value in every facet.

 

Speakerboxx good tho

 

I mean there's nothing anyone can do about ignoring/not being interested in a genre then trying to play catchup later in life. I'd rather have that happen then someone stay hating on hip hop because they never gave it a chance. I think there can be a balance of staying up to date with new shit while digging into classics.

I think the trouble comes, like with any other genre that a person is trying to get into in 2016, with the overflow of good shit that is "essential" and readily available to DL or listen to. Imagine hearing Ready to Die/The Chronic/Illmatic/36 Chambers/Blueprint/TCD/Stankonia in the same day for the first time. The same week, even! No breathing room, and that's just cliche classics without making it geographical/genre specific. Shit, hearing all of Ye's albums for the first time in the span of a week would be overwhelming.

It's an interesting conversation to have, how to "properly" get into a genre. If there's such a thing as that.

 

I can't imagine getting all of Kanye's record all at once. That's just nuts.

 

I definitely agree with that. I also think that the whole conversation is even more complicated for a genre that is tied to a gigantic subculture like Hip Hop. A person that identifies with that culture will, in my experience, often have a different opinion from someone that does not, even if that second person also knows a lot of and about the music. I suspect much the same goes for Punk music, where I am somewhat of a tourist, though the Punk subculture is in some ways less exenstive, certainly in terms of pure volume (the amount of "entertainment" tied to it and so on).

 

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One more thing I have been wondering regarding the subject of "going back to the classics" is if the way (namely an indie-centric music press) many of these "outsiders" that are now getting into Hip Hop leads them to only going back to artists and albums that fit that mold, meaning it might lead them to Outkast, but not UGK, to Dilla, but not Mannie Fresh, to Mos Def but not LL. I see the same thing happening in R&B, where the current critical darlings might lead people going back to Dwele or even Aaliyah, but not 112. I might be wrong, but if I'm right it's a bit sad in my opinion.

 

I mean I think you're generalizing too much, it comes down to where the person is looking for recommendations. If the person telling them what to get into has specific bias or interest, they're going to be guided to different shit. I don't think there's a set curriculum, per se, outside of maybe high profile "best hip hop" album lists or the bullshit on mu or hiphopheads

 

That's definitely not how I mean it. I think those "Golden Age" sites and lists or whatever are definitely the worst. I'm just wondering if many newcomers are being turned into precisely those kinds of Hip Hop "fans" without even knowing it, haha. I mean there is currently a definitive tilt towards either slightly eccentric Lyrical Miracle Rap or Trap (both of which is great, but not nearly all there is), both when it comes to writing about new Hip Hop, as well as older Hip Hop. All of this is not the end of the world and I guess I sound more dramatic or snarky than I intend to. It's just an observation I made, one that might just be wrong.

I'm not trying to go all "you don't even have favorite deep Brandy album cuts" here, don't get me wrong. I just have a suspicion some people are missing out on a lot.

 

apparently rozay dropped a tape last night? and it was immediately pulled?

Rick Ross – “Freaky Hoe” (Feat. Juicy J, Too $hort, & Big K.R.I.T.)

 

honestly, i think this is a by product of time. No one goes back and watch's all random not-to-popular, but critically well received movies from the 1970's, people just go back and watch the "BEST" movies of the 70's. Its a sad reality of art that as time goes on more and more is forgotten.

 

Hell yeah. Karriem Riggins working with them in any capacity is really cool.
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I got into Radiohead just before In Rainbows so I had 6 albums to digest. Sometimes getting into an artist with a large discography can be pretty daunting. Can't imagine what it's like trying to get into an entire genre.

 

Listening to this Malcolm London project. I dig it.

Here's a track w/ Vic Mensa on it.

 

I see what you mean. In this case that's not really the right analogy though. It's more like if the list of 50 best comedies of all time was curated by horror film experts.

 

Finally got round to listening to tapes by Boogie and Cousin Stizz. Really digging both guys.

 

Just started the Boogie. First two tracks are so good.

 

Yeah the new Boogie tape is really good.

 

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