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the line was created by two American white dudes late at night who were like, yeah lets draw the line there to keep the capital in the south.

also, why would any communist country want to get involved if the the North won and what other country other than the US could lead the UN in an invasion?

 

So yeah any podcast recommendations on the Korean War as that definitely seems to be a gap in my knowledge base?

 

no need, you can just watch us correct David over and over.

 

And what do you think communists in North Korea would have done to non-commies in South Korea if they won? We have two very large examples of this! All you’re doing is pointing out how bad South Korea was in the 40s/50s for communists, which I never argued. You haven’t yet made the argument for why it would be better off today if the North had taken over.

 

the same they were already doing to the ones who fled the north hopefully.

 

Here is my argument for why Korea would be better off if the North won.

 

And my point to your argument is the makings of a garrison state we’re already in motion, and you’re wishcasting a different (read: better) outcome for the people of the peninsula under communist/Kim regime rule if the US never got involved. The assumption that Kim would rule differently is not a great one backed up with a lot of evidence, IMO, considering his going for the whole cult of personality starting pre-war. And yeah Korea was isolated from the west involuntarily, but Song voluntarily was side-eying even his biggest allies in China and started isolating his people and economy from potential allies not too long after the war was over.

I was talking about post-war Vietnam, who had some failed ag reforms and went to war with Cambodia and China in the ensuing years. Made it harder for them to succeed post-war despite the north winning.

 

Pretty simple!

 

True, no one in the south would have rebelled and started a war leading to thousands of deaths, or tried to overthrow the government, if only the UN hadn’t gotten involved.

 

garrisoned... from what?

 

now who is wishcasting?

 

You! By assuming a reunified under the north in 48 would mean no war and no mass death events to follow lol.

 

who would the war be between.

 

that’s what I’m doing

 

would you please share with the class what you learned.

 

I don’t know how people are affording what these houses are selling for. They must be getting insane mortgages. Another bubble will burst eventually.

 

David is wrong

 

the rest of the world. The juche philosophy that Sung championed is murky historically but a lot of historians seem to agree it was born out of the deteriorating relationship between Sung and the Soviets because he didn’t want to be seen as reliant on them/possibly didn’t agree with the de-stalinization and etc. If you’re already shut out from the capitalist countries, pulling yourself inward further from your communist would-be allies isn’t a good sign of things to come.

 

Recommend Citations Needed ep 2: The North Korea Memory Hole

 

A friend of mine and his wife built one for around that. It’s ugly as fuck, the plan is ugly and it’s also built on what used to be a swamp.

 

Remembering the Forgotten War

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v39/n10/bruce-cumings/a-murderous-history-of-korea

 

thats not what a garrison state is. you're conflating juche philosophy of self reliance and pre-colonial isolatinism with what a garrison state is, which would describe Israel *spits on floor* for different reasons.

 

the folks who did not want communist dictator government and the folks who did.

I guess your best argument for less deaths is maybe the South Koreans don’t attempt to overthrow the govt as many times as they did in their own country if they were under communist dictatorship, but idk…seems like a lot of outspoken folks would get killed. And in the end, the argument seems to be “less people would be dead (though we already killed hundreds of thousands officially in our invasion) and they’d be under a communist dictatorship that definitely would be ruled differently than it has been for the last 75 years, source: trust me bro”, vs. “more people died in the war but now half the country lives a relatively better quality of life than the other half with a decent amount of freedoms not enjoyed by their northern counterparts”. I don’t think a lot of people necessarily agree with your viewpoint that the #1 most important thing is how many died in the war vs. everything that has come since then. Would the South Koreans have preferred not to have their country blown apart and almost a million casualties? Hell yeah I’m sure they would! Would they trade that for rule by the north, back then or today? Mmmmmmmm…..

Hey, if the South Koreans want to hold a vote and choose to reunify under Un and the United States fucks off and says sure we’ll open up relations with you as the new unified Korea (yeah I know, I’m saying in the perfect world where a unified Korea would have the opportunity to succeed), I’m all for it. But I doubt the south would want to do that.