General Politics Discussion VIII [ARCHIVED] • Page 937

We need some happy thoughts in here

 

just the whole country casually watching the sitting president of the united states attempt a coup. sounds on brand, 2020.

 

Living in this shithole country is an exercise in continually resisting the urge to blow your brains out of your skull but the threshold reduces a little bit every day

 

Biden ruling out a national shutdown is dumb IMO

 

That was a very sad day. I still remember listening to Adam 12 sign off for the last time with BCN.

 

People saying Warren are ridiculous, it’s not going to be her

 

It won’t be Warren because that means the R governor gets to appoint a senator. Can’t lose a dem in the senate, especially now that they didn’t take it back

 

Just was thinknig that even if they could convince states/counties/etc to just ignore the votes of certain counties, I'd be hard pressed to believe even this SCOTUS wouldn't easily find 14th Amendment violations in that. Just choosing to treat some votes differently than others would be a huge equal protections issue I would imagine.

 

Folks Trump is a piece of shit eh?

 

We're going to see some big changes. We'll probably get a career JPMorgan executive instead of a career Goldman Sachs executive.

 

I really don't see where this faith in republicans do stand up for the constitution is coming from

what evidence do you have in history that backs up these claims?

 

Nah, those are still both Ivy League. They're gonna go with a more regular joe Banker, like TD Bank or Capitol One

 

One of the reason why the Bush v. Gore decision is what it is is because it was determined that certain county's voters were being treated differently than counties elsewhere in the state IIRC. One of the lawyers can chime in here but just based on the equal protection clause I'd have a hard time seeing the legal standing of just simply not counting an entire county's votes. Especially if that county is disproportionately minority. Roberts cares way too much about his legacy to ever let that happen, he'd twist the arm of anyone else on that bench that he'd need to to make sure there were 5 votes to not let that happen.

 

It's a ridiculous argument from all sides but part of what some of these lawsuits have been alleging is that there have been equal protection violations already by virtue of the fact that some votes have been treated differently than others (as in, for example, counted despite the ballot being deficient in some way). If it got to the Supreme Court it would depend on which equal protection "violation" they want to believe in. And I think we all know how that would go.

 

dude Bush vs Gore wasn't decided based on anything in the constitution

it was decided because five conservative judges wanted Bush to win

Sure, Roberts might stand up and do the right thing. But the other five conservative justices???

 

Yeah but even in that case, without a count or proof of which ballots were "cured", how else would they be able to discount those ballots other than to just...throw out all the ballots in the county? Even in Bush v. Gore that wasn't the ruling, it was just that the recount had to stop becuase it was "standardless" or whatever. We're not even getting recounts here, we're just getting "Hey throw out the votes of this county" lol.

 

bro.. lmao

 

I think the reporting on the ACA decision shows that these judges discuss these things with each other. Roberts cares about his legacy, I think he'd make some pretty big threats to make it happen.

The Bush V. Gore decision on the 14th Amendment violations for the recount was 7-2, believe it or not. 5-4 was that the recount couldn't continue with new methods and standards in place because it "couldn't be completed in time". Which was bullshit, of course.

 

Odds that by this he means only the centrist Democrats and the Lincoln Project Republicans that he's trying to court to the party?

 

I think the argument from them thus far in the public filings has been something along the lines of the votes in County X have been given disproportionate special treatment compared to the votes in the rest of the state, and as a result the whole county's votes should be erased. Or, I guess in the last day or two, they've been saying the whole state should be nullified and the legislature should pick the electors instead. They're just trying to cause so much confusion and public backlash that the pressure forces the legislatures to do what Trump wants. At this point they aren't even counting on the courts to actually be the ones who decide.