General Politics Discussion VII [ARCHIVED] • Page 719

Seems bad.

 

Not good

 

Seems like liberals go back and forth between calling the left a fringe with no power or influence and begging us to vote for Biden as if we're going to make or break this election. Which is it?

 

A mix of the two.

 

Yep. If 5-10% of the base don't go out and vote, it can break an election in the wrong direction. But if your coalition is only 20-30% of the base at it's max, and it's already comprised of people less likely to vote or be involved, and a lot of that base is refusing to attempt to build any coalition at all with the further left liberals, then you won't have any power or influence.

 

Anyone that is well read or knows about this stuff...is there any reason to believe that the potential vaccines will run into safety issues that other vaccines haven't? For example, it seems like the only difference between a covid vaccine and a flu vaccine should be the virus itself, and that everything else in the vaccine should be roughly the same, shouldn't it? Like, all the other ingredients that are in there, do they need to change drastically because it's a different type of virus? If so, wouldn't that make it less likely that there's safety issues?

The RNA tech stuff is new though so I guess that could be tricky as well.

 

things have gotten so bad I feel like people have just forgotten that shit was already pretty bad during the first three years of his presidency. there was certainly a lot of stuff that wasn't reversible.

 

Not sure this really answers your question but you kind of brought it up so I figure I will mention that in terms of comparing it to the flu vaccine, it seems logical that this vaccine would be much more simple to get right and be effective because it’s just one specific virus, while the flu vaccine is created for several of the most common strains of the flu among the many different ones that are out there (which is why the flu vaccine is not really all that effective).

 

So instead of reporting on us having the highest death toll in Europe, our papers are covering a month old story about a scientist having an affair. British press in a nutshell.

 

I can't find any articles about it now because whenever I search all of the results coming up are about the situation we are in now, but I do remember reading about a month or two ago that past potential vaccines for other human coronaviruses made the test subjects sicker and exacerbated the disease.

I am not trying to throw bad information out there. Like I said, I cannot find any of the articles now, and I really do not have any knowledge or technical understanding about how vaccines really work. The gist of it was basically that vaccines are VERY hard to develop and to develop safely and to do so takes time.

 

So my uncle was just diagnosed with dementia and was going to be moved to a nursing home from the hospital, but now he tested positive for COVID first person I've known to personally have this. So scary. They tested him on his way in and he tested negative at the time. Still in the hospital for now.

 

id guess a lot of the preservatives and other components of most vaccines are pretty consistently safe and exhaustively researched, but I’d imagine their composition might differ depending on how the vaccine works, which will be heavily influenced by the virus’s biology. There are several different types of vaccines, the most common I think being live-attenuated vaccines (weakened virus, which are more likely to cause symptoms post-vaccine) and subunit (specific viral proteins, which are even safer but less effective). Subunit vaccines often need something called an adjuvant, which is a vaccine component that helps stimulate a good response and can in turn cause symptoms. These adjuvants and and live-attenuated vaccines are usually the reason people can feel crappy afterwards; it means your body is kicking the crap out of the virus/vaccine (which is good).
There are newer types of vaccines though that are getting pretty crazy complex and I don’t understand them well myself, so maybe they’re being more careful with those since they’re less common and less well understood. That’s all a long way of saying that vaccine development is a deep rabbit hole of chasing which part of the virus is best at stimulating an appropriate immune response. Conceptually simple, maybe even technically simple, but still a guessing game.

That’s probably more than you wanted to know or maybe missed your point but that’s what came out when I started typing haha. I found this quick review of the current covid vaccine landscape:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41573-020-00073-5

 

ive been saying this for a while now but with the blessing of a few family members of course, i really think the news needs to be covering the tragic real life stories of what's going on. It will wake people up. I know the stories because my friends work in hospitals and i see the local papers talking about a few daily people here and there but man... anyone who cares more about "economy" over "dying completely alone and not having a funeral".... very cold.

 

This seems more like an outlier but yikes

 

biden still wins in this poll though

 

no this was great thank you. When I see them talking about the safety trials of the vaccines it got me wondering if they meant more whether the virus itself was gonna make it more iffy on the safety side of things to make an effective vaccine or if the other preservatives and whatever else had to be different from vaccines we know are already safe and thus that could be the problem. It sounds like from what you said it could possibly be a mixture of both to some extent. Hopefully the head start they had on animal testing for some of these helps out

 

Poll machine goes brrrrr