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103rd ballot? That's unreal.

 

My bad I meant after 1900 which someone asked about haha

 

I think the idea is that giving it to someone else takes away the “DNC is picking favorites” attack that would be levied by any of the losing side. Do I think it’s possible or the best choice? Probably not, but that is the logic I assume.

It’s also worth pointing out that you’d literally have to get the delegates themselves to agree to it, not some DNC Tom Perez character making The choice themselves, so if it DID happen, I don’t think it would quite be the apocalypse people are predicting because the people who would be making the decision would be the ones that were there to support another candidate in the first place. So they would have already agreed to compromise.

still wouldn’t be good tho

 

Yeah conventions were willlllddd back in the day before they changed that two third threshold.

I can't remember the exact president or if he became President but I remember reading that they couldn't agree on a candidate at the convention and then someone came up and spoke. The convention loved it and then nominated that person to be the candidate.

 

Love setting up the tv in front of the stairs

 

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if pre-1900 conventions had a history of assault/death lol. Politics were so much more hardcore back in the day

 

I’d be pissed if someone has a plurality and they give the nomination to someone else. That’s not how this should ever work. I don’t think I vote in that scenario.

If they give it to an outside person I don’t think I ever vote again. Burn the party to the ground and start over is the only option then.

 

Hey, don't ignore me already posting about my favorite one.

Brokered convention - Wikipedia

The most infamous example of this was at the 1924 Democratic National Convention, where the divisions between Wets and Drys on ending Prohibition and various other issues led to 102 ballots of deadlock between frontrunners Alfred E. Smith and William G. McAdoo over 16 days, before dark horse John W. Davis was chosen as a compromise candidate on the 103rd ballot.

 

I tried to go back and see the full conversation on this and missed it.

Do you know the one I am taking about where pretty much they picked the guy who got up a spoke because they really liked his speech after they couldn't agree?

 

Be glad we don't have to deal with the Party Boss system and we actually for the most part have direct voting for the primary candidate. That was wild time of corruption and filth.

 

Galaxy brain strategy. Took him 3 years to pay him back.

Seriously though, whatever else Mitt Romney has done in his life, he did the right thing in perhaps the most difficult circumstance. It's patriotic.

 

Polk? He comes to mind as one of the first.

 

The Democrats should nominate no one, and then say it’s cause “no one is better than trump” without realizing that sounds bad

Then they lose by a billion votes and the country combusts into flames like we deserve

 

I think that might be the one I need to go back and listen to the podcast that this was discussed on because it is bothering me and I can't google the right answer.

 

If the party isn't willing to come together to defeat donald trump its toast regardless of what they do.

I believe telling everyone "Hey lets find some common ground around this other candidate" will make it easier for the party together than telling them "Okay well this person got the most delegates so even though a lot of you don't like them we're gonna give them the nomination and you have to come to them".

We live in far too cynical of a time for a candidate to make "policy concessions" that'll actually work. Especially by the convention, people will have made up their minds about all the candidates. There aren't any policy concessions a Joe Biden with a plurality of 40% of the delegates can make that is gonna change anyone's on the left's mind about him. They'll either already be willing to vote Joe in the general to stop Trump or they won't be. And my worry is that none of these candidates can get much more than 40% of the delegates, they'd all be toast in november and the best shot is to try and find someone else everyone can rally around in the spirit of unity and stopping donald trump without having to feel like they were the ones who had to give something up because the other half refused to play nice.

 

But it is about that.

I'd be more upset if Biden or Pete got the nomination than Baldwin

I imagine most people on the right would be more upset if Bernie or Warren got it

Compromise will need to be found somewhere, and with the exception of possibly Warren I really don't see who'd actually be able to bring about that compromise.

 

“A candidate has no name. A candidate is no one.”

 

I also have to say there was a complete strategy back in the day where guys who wanted to be President would sandbag or say they were only running for the Vice President (back when the party picked it). They would wait for the convention to grind to not being able to make a decision and then would have a third party slyly enter their name into the conversation and then they rise to becoming the candidate.

 

Incredible.

 

I can’t believe you don’t see that having some people support a candidate that wasn’t their first choice is way way way easier than having EVERYONE support a candidate that no one likes, and not even dislike, they have no idea who this person is. It’d be a dogshit move out the gate.

If you think there’s someone a divided party can all agree on then you should tell them to run. And campaign, and put in time and money and earn votes. If you think people will be fine giving away a nominee to someone who has not worked for it over a dozen people who have you are not worth the time.

 

It was James Garfield fyi.

Went to the convention to speak on his choice for President and then they ended up picking him.

 

If Bernie has the most votes and they nominate someone else I’m not voting Democrat. If they nominate someone else who never even ran I’m never voting Democrat again in my life. Give me Trump, you cannot fuck up worse than this insane hypothetical that puts a big middle finger to the idea of democracy.

 

This is also how I *cough* helped rig Boy Scout leader elections. Waiting until there was no majority and then lobbying all the new younger first year scouts to vote for someone I'd nominate "randomly" that I had talked into just putting me in a leadership role where I didn't have to do shit but would get credit for "leadership" ... it's how I became "chaplain" of my troop. Didn't do shit that whole time in the "senior council."

 

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