General Politics Discussion (IV) [ARCHIVED] • Page 847

He was very worried Jake. Very!

 

i just cant with these people anymore, they arent even trying

 

next up donald trump was actually a coal miner and the mine he worked in has been reopened and hes getting his job back, along with six thousand former miners

 

I mean can you even retire if you don't have a job

 

I can't tell anymore if they're clearly just lying sacks of shit and know it, if they actually believe their bullshit, or what the fuck they're even doing. It's like ... what the fuck?

Also, the amount his 401k would need to have to start with ... that if we take him at his word now he thinks one day he can "retire" .... from one year at 35% has to be, what ... 3 mill? That's ... an extra $1,050,000? Giving him 4,050,000? I'm just assuming that he thinks he needs that to retire, right? Is it more? Was his 401k at 5? 6? 10? Did he really think he couldn't retire with that? I have so many questions.

 

Ah but I'm talking about one specific case. Even if "hundreds of thousands" of people are calling senators, how many of those were about what I specifically meant? I doubt many of them really understand what's going on in regards to specific minority groups like mine (or even care), or have an in depth analysis of what's happening in MENA. This doesn't address broader, more general narratives that take hold, be it online or off, that leads to this hostility towards people like me. I checked andI saw it mostly from people with "resistance" or "liberal" in their bio, I made sure to check almost every single person on twitter who was replying like this because I wanted to write about it. I looked through their feeds, I even made myself go through the experience of reading comments on Slate and WaPo. even the literal articles were written with firmly nothing more than an anti-GOP/trump narrative in mind, using us as props, rather than showing genuine concern with us, along the lines of, "see?! GOP doesn't care about you lulz" OR "lol they voted for trump, now they're being deported. they're so conservative that they didn't want to work with the ACLU because they're liberal rofl". How does that help people like me? I've just been dealing with this shit before I even understood politics very well in high school (so like, literally a decade ago lol).

Not cheering deportations /=/ not not cheering deportations of a specific group

 

My dad did that lol

 

How is "most of them are the same people who have been cheering on the deportations of my people" one specific case? You made a generalization that is not true — I responded to it. If you'd like to discuss something else, fine, by all means ... but my response was to that specific statement.

And I'm saying "most of the #resistance" are not cheering deportations of any group.

Anecdotal Twitter accounts you've come across does not change my assertion of this broader statement.

 

I need deets

 

I feel like when people mock “#resistance” they are actually referring to people who have a twitter account or other social media, hence the hashtag. I’m unsure how many people who are calling senators etc etc think of themselves as the #resistance, therefore I don’t know that it’s accurate to classify just anyone engaging in the democratic process against Trump/the GOP as #resistance and it feels kind of obtuse to insist that they are. I also don’t think it’s wrong to point out that there are plenty of online liberal #resistance who say problematic things or have problematic attitudes towards immigrants. One that i notice is the prevelant narrative that many are highlighting where an immigrant’s value seems tied to their service to Americans - military, civilian, or otherwise - rather than in their simply being humans with their own connections here and reasons for having come here that should be respected.

 

i'm not talking about other groups because i'm talking about mine. and the large response to that was bad. even if ACLU were helpful, which they were, i'm talking about the broader conversation and narrative, even outside of the deportation stuff. it's beyond anecdotal, most of us share these sentiments because we've experienced this consistently and over a very long period of time.

 

Yeah I thought it was pretty obvious the group being discussed was the hashtag resistance which if you don't use the internet doesn't even register to you because how would a hashtag mean anything irl

 

Ok, so what's your evidence that most of "the resistance" cheered the deportations of your group?

I'll pull some numbers off a few sites I have access to ... 9m unique visits and about 7m unique call to actions, in total, across them over the past two weeks. Very clear "resistance" groups. What's the evidence that most of them cheered for these deportations?

That's the definition of anecdotal.

 

And that's why I continue to push back on the mocking because it's so, so, so, so much bigger. Twitter heads mock other Twitter heads and circle jerk about it, and in doing so are missing a groundswell unlike anything I've ever seen in my lifetime. And saying these people are doing "nothing" or "crickets" or picking out a couple people to make fun of ... is just wrong, and downright ignorant of what's going on out there.

A lot of them. Looking at data on sites very clearly associated with said "Twitter" people: a whole lot of them. Literally millions. Second, the self-association is less important in and of itself if they're being activated because of the "#resistance" and those associated broadly, generally, or even specifically.

No one said otherwise. Point them out all the time. But huge, and frankly absurd, generalizations are not the same as pointing out problematic things by individuals.

 

Our family moved from CA to MN in the mid 90s and he just like, never got a job after we moved here, so eventually he “retired” and played with stocks

 

Asking in earnest: Do you consider DSA/leftists types as part of the #resistance? These are folks who organize a lot of anti-Trump efforts, but many of whom would balk at being labeled as such. I tend to think that recognizing self-association is pretty essential to understanding and stewarding movements.

 

so our general experience as to how we've been treated by western liberals and leftists is just anecdotal and not an example of a systemic western-centric narrative re: politics?

 

my girlfriend would murder me if i tried that

wait til she hears how i'm in the running for an internship that pays less than what i make now and is only part time!

 

I feel like you know what the word anecdotal means, and how it relates to the previous post, so I'm not going to keep going over this.

 

Anyone got a good article about wtf is happening with the stock market?

 

thread

 

I know many in the Portland DSA who do. The official site has plenty of self-described "resistance" posts as well. There are even shirts! Many states have leftists movements that use the word specifically.

That said, I don't think self-association or labeling matters much to the vast majority of people that are taking place in "#resistance" movements or actions. Especially if they're using the same tools, or uniting under the same cause.

 

no, i want to know! usually it's used as a response as in, "anecdotes don't matter/they don't reflect the broader systemic issue" etc, but this time it absolutely does. that's what i mean.

 

Gonna have to be more specific ... heh.

 

You want to know what the word anecdotal means and why when you say "I've seen XYZ" it's the definition of anecdotal? And how that does not translate to any part of a statement starting with "most of"?