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Or just you know pay them

 

Sierra Leone Mudslide Relief Fund

 

Why wouldn't you attack him on his inability to do anything, especially the signature thing everyone knows he promised? Seems like a good thing to bring up how horribly ineffective his White House has been.

 

Ro got me wondering if we'll get an actually anti-war candidate in the primaries. It's good that there'll probably be a voice saying to get out of Afghanistan but hopefully someone takes up that space to the left of him on foreign policy and takes that to the logical conclusion and articulates a decent anti-war position

 

Because there are lots of things that he has been unable to do (act like an adult, improve the infrastructure, pass better healthcare, etc.) that Democrats could actually support. Making fun of him for this means the Democrats are going after Trump voters who are mad he's not building the wall, which means Democrats are trying to attract voters based on xenophobia and racism.

 

I don't think that's what it means at all. Attacking someone's inability to keep promises or campaign pledges, especially the paramount ones, doesn't mean you want that policy. Obama was attacked by the RNC for not completing promises no Republican wanted at the time. Bush was attacked for not living up to promises no Democrat wanted him to keep as well. Ads were ran on his failure to privatize Social Security. No Dem wanted that to pass. (And the DNC has attacked every single thing you mentioned as well.) It doesn't mean they're going after Trump voters that want the wall, it means they're attacking his ineffective and pathetic stint in office where he can't get anything done ... including one of the more embarrassing things: admitting it was a bullshit thing he didn't care about to the President of Mexico.

 

Broadcast networks drew 17.5 million viewers for Trump Afghanistan speech

 

He said he was going to do XYZ.
He didn't do XYZ.

This is campaign literature 101. Not everything is some "omg look they're going racist" meme.

 

About 40.8 million Americans over 10 networks watched former President Barack Obama’s 2009 address on his Afghanistan war strategy, according to Ad Age. That figure includes viewers on the broadcast networks and cable news channels.

He's gonna be mad.

 

Yeah, I don't see how you can defend that email. Given the context of right-wing violence and racism that has been on display, it isn't sound to call someone out on their inability to complete one of their promised racist accomplishments. It legitimates it as demand, which, since they will do something on the border at some point, makes democrats complicit.

 

it literally normalizes it as "just a campaign promise" that anyone should be outraged about his failure to maintain. focus on what we want to realize through progressive policies - healthcare reform and the like - and argue that he has failed and we can do better.

 

Y'all are reaching so hard right now. Good lord.

 

But the fact that he didn't do XYZ is good. So attacking him for it seems... odd. Especially when there is a whole lot of better stuff to attack him for.

 

It being good that it wasn't completed doesn't mean it wasn't the most visible campaign promise in years and it was an utter and extremely visible failure. And the DNC sends out a billion emails every day attacking him for literally everything, that this one gets called out shows the motivated reasoning.

 

The media spent the better part of a year documenting all of Trump's lies and it yielded nothing. He still became president. Pointing out inconsistencies or the lack of accomplishments is meaningless. Before anyone points to his current approval numbers, that relates to him actively trying to pass legislation, i.e., taking away people's healthcare. If the aim is to speak to his base or the mythical republicans who only supported him because of the wall, it won't work. If it does, that changes the coalition they're building and still yields something more racist.

 

Couldn't agree more with this.

 

Maybe. But, maybe it's actually a poorly crafted email that, intentionally or unintentionally, comes off as "going racist" to people. To me, it would be similar to calling him out on "not being tough on crime". That legitimates a certain notion that is bound up in racial oppression. Alternatively, one might say Donald Trump's actions on crime haven't worked because they don't work, which is why criminal justice reform is necessary.

 

He is the most unpopular president of all time, of course it yielded something. (The problem was he ran against the second most unpopular person.) If you think pointing out failures if meaningless, I don't know what to tell you. Cause you're going to see a lot of them ... on both sides ... in all campaigns ... until the end of time.

His approval numbers also drop during prolonged stories of his inability to lead. Charlottesville has seen another drop. Russia being in the news leads to a drop. And the leaked call about Mexico that's being highlighted here? A drop.

The aim is pretty simple: This guy made the biggest promise anyone ever has on the campaign trail, and it was all a lie and he admitted it was a lie. Drive trustworthy numbers down, once again point out what he said to the President of Mexico. In one of thousand emails that gets sent out each day.

 

And that letter would probably start with:

Trump said he'd do XYZ on crime, and he hasn't. Here's what we're going to do... Anyone have the rest of the email that isn't just the first few sentences? Is it documenting all his lies? Does it say "we're going to build a wall"? Is it part one of an immigration reform plan? Is it just one of a thousand emails pointing out this dude is the worst?

 

Nah man, clearly it's an indication that the Dems want to build a wall too.

 

If you think that's what people are saying, you're being dense.

 

i'm sure Latinx Americans are grateful to the democrats for zinging Trump on his failure to shut them out of their own country.

 

Well, dense opinions deserve a dense response when you know the people espousing them should be smarter than that.

Dems should tear his ass up on every single promise he doesn't keep. That's like fucking rule #1 of politics.