General Politics Discussion [ARCHIVED] • Page 47

Given the polls on how women view Trump, one might say that presenting the public with information that can be taken together with his other interactions with women and provide a picture as to whether or not he views them as human/equals, is having an effect. And yes, hitting on women is problematic. That others do not think so speaks to the degree to which sexism is embedded in our society.

 

But that's a myopic view of it, right? Other men have had relations with women but not all other men have directly profited from the dehumanization, abuse, and mistreatment of women. I'm talking about Trump's involvement with beauty pageants and modeling, if it wasn't clear.

Gotta put everything in the big picture before you judge news as worthy or not.

 

I'll criticize whatever the fuck I want whenever the fuck I want.

 

So honest question, who is voting for Trump and why?

 

I'm just going to leave this here. It is for people worried about non-voters helping out Trump:

Centrist Democrats: We can work with President Trump

 

I certainly hope Democrats can work with Trump if he somehow gets elected. The republicans refusal to work with Obama on basically anything has been one of the biggest points of frustration over the last eight years and tit for tat won't get this country anywhere.

 

Yup. they're basically saying "well he's anti-trade and talked about raising the minimum wage, and we can do that".

Basically, if Trump were elected and actually tried to pass a higher minimum wage, I'd certainly want the Democrats to vote for it--unlike what the GOP did with Obama after he relented on some of their ideas, or just straight up stole them (cough ACA cough)


My worry is I don't really buy that Trump would do those things at the moment. His campaign seems centered on hateful language and rhetoric and policies that accompany those ideas. He's, if anything, smart enough to know he can't promise the base those things being his #1 priority, only to abandon them to raise the minimum wage or pass an infrastructure spending bill.

 

If Trump wins, he may be the third president to be impeached.

 

There's no way that the democrats would work with Trump without further going right. That is the point. Unmoored from any ideological perspective, aside from political pragmatism, they'll even compromise with someone that represents, in my mind, a distillation of the most reactionary elements of American politics. This isn't new, but if one accepts the premise that it entails a shift to the right, the idea that voting for a third party or not voting means contributing to Trump's agenda is undermined. In the context of the article, fetishizing "functioning government" or "compromise" becomes the pathway on which his agenda goes forward.

 

Yeah, but by your logic, passing a Trump-led proposal to raise the minimum wage to, say, $9.50 an hour instead of $15 would be "a move to the right" because they didn't go for $15 or bust, despite $9.50 clearly being more than, and thus in theory further left than, keeping it at $7.25

 

White folks compromising by throwing POC and other minorities under bus in order to help pass some "liberal" policies???

Noooo wayyyyy!!!

 

If raising the minimum wage under a Republican president during a time when Republicans are as entrenched as they've ever been in hateful rhetoric towards the poor and working poor is throwing anyone under the bus, then lolol

 

These last few primaries are so damn meaningless

 

There's still a slim hope (very slim admittedly) that if Sanders keeps finishing strong in the states that he could persuade some superdelagates to switch. But yeah for the most part I'm so over the primaries at this point. Didn't both parties say they were going to make it a shorter process this time around? It feels like it has dragged for so long.

 

Well, no. I doubt he would lead a push for the minimum wage, first off, but yes, that would be a compromise to the right that isn't quantified in dollar and cents, but in the demands of people who can't live off of anything below fifteen dollars an hour. Putting that aside, given the center of his politics, a compromise is only going to go in the direction of the right. This is characteristic of American compromise or bipartisan support. See: ending welfare as we know it, terror policy, policing, etc.

 

Well I was using the minimum wage as an example because that was an example used in the article, pointing out that Trump was calling for a higher fed min. wage:

If Trump came in and in his first 100 days proposed higher minimum wage, an infrastructure spending bill, and an increase in public health coverage via Medicare or Medicaid...yes those are exactly the types of things I'd want a moderate democratic senator to vote for.

"Compromising with Trump" doesn't mean you have to compromise on illegal immigration, or Muslim bans, or women's rights, etc.

 

Hillary with the slight lead in Kentucky. Jefferson and Fayette counties are the ones that are hurting him. Without them he would be winning by a lot.

 

Right. It is easy to say, if he proposes the ideal liberal project, then that should be the basis for compromise. But, that isn't actually how politics works, historically or otherwise. His reactionary politics are intrinsically linked to the "progressive" elements of his platform, so any compromise will necessarily involve giving in. They do not have to do it, but, as with Bush, they would do it because their political interests lie in doing so.

 

The stuff Bernie supporters did in Nevada is pretty disgusting.

 

and he kinda more or less defends it, or at least just focuses on how he thinks the DNC is being unfair

 

and the gap between Sanders diehards and Trump supporters grows more narrow...

 

thx, I wasn't sure which link to post.

Not a good look.

 

"Those hostile Bernie voters should take a class in civility" - Donald Trump

 

Damn it, he's right. This time.

 

yeah sending death threats to a woman is completely reprehensible