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Not going to lie, I was waiting for them to to something during the final sequence of The Long Night where the zombie dragon shoots fire at Jon and it doesn't burn him.... Like he's still just standing there after the smoke clears like Luke during The Last Jedi (brushes dirt off of his shoulder). hahaha.

 

I'd be shocked if the show broached that rumor at this point.

Same here. I refuse to believe that story line will be as summarily dismissed in the books as on the show. I actually had always expected that the Walkers wouldn't be defeated, because so much of the story skews away from happy endings, or more traditional fantasy tropes. Having the humans defeat the Night King and his army like that seems much more like something that would happen in any other fantasy series, not one which made its name by killing off Ned Stark in the first book.

 

maybe the last shot will be of a snowy village full of baby white walkers

 

Not only would I love this, but it would satiate my OCD.

 

Ooh, I like that. I wonder whatever became of the infant the NK changed into a Walker back in season 4. Did he stay a baby, or is/was he in the process of growing up? My guess is we'll never know.

 

The fact that the NK and WW make deals or agreements at all is also very confusing after this season leaned into the idea that they are only killing machines with no deeper goals or thought.

 

I'm just sad we won't get to see any more of his macabre art.....

 

Jaime's ending was weird, but I just kind of chose not to think about it. I just rewatched the scene where he says his goodbye to Brienne.....still don't get it.

"Listen, every bad thing I've ever done has been because of Cersei. I've been trying to be a better person by separating myself from her because she sucks. She even hired someone to kill me recently............... I'm going to go hold her in my arms and make sure she's okay."

 

i can't imagine it turned into a dead looking adult already but who knows. little same is supposed to be baby boy #100 so in theory they turned 99 other babies. if they do turn into white walkers, we only saw like 10 max? so there must be more somewhere unless they died when the night king did. i guess the white walkers in the godswood all fell so it would be inconsistent for any others to still be alive

pretty sure this is just a show issue. i haven't read the books but i think they're more of a society. the show probably decided later on that it'd be easier to just make them killing machines

 

You say weird, I say awful abysmal terrible atrocious....

 

Yeah, the NK isn’t even in the books so I’m assuming most of what happened with them is a show only issue and the endgame for the WW will be treated differently if they ever get finished.

 

I know this is me over thinking things, but one potential drawback / side-effect / consequence of leaving something as a completely unexplained mystery is that we have absolutely no idea what they are actually capable of. Based on what we saw at the end of the battle in "The Long Night", it is reasonable to assume that all of them everywhere burst into shards and perished, but since we actually still know fuck all about them, if they just showed back up all you could do is whine and say you thought they were all gone whilst they killed you.

Edited to add that I in no way whatsoever think the NK or WW are coming back, I'm just saying.

 

If they never even develop a Night King character, I feel like that fundamentally changes The Long Night. They don't have that auto-win strategy of taking out a single figure to win the war (unless I'm missing something) so they'll probably have to deal with that in a different way.

They would also have to deal with the WW grudge against 3ER. They would have won the war no problem had NK not been super arrogant and weirdly obsessed with being the one to take him out with his own hands.

 

The inhuman death machine falling prey to hubris and human arrogance was certainly a surprise. Never knowing the true extent of his sentience and having evidence pointing to any number of answers is as much of a headscratcher as anything else. I guess marking it all down as rule of cool is as good a guess as any, because he certainly was.

 

Like a lot of things with this show, you kind of just have to accept that the rules were very loose. He was made from a regular human so he still has some human traits I guess, but they mostly just pick and choose which of those traits to show...mostly out of convenience.

 

The more we talk about all the different possible threads in the books, the more i realize I legit have no clue where the story is going to go. It made some sense that the Long Night battle happened first in the show because the WW broke the wall down and everyone was already in the North, so they were closer. But in the books, KL is in decidedly more peril with the wall still standing, no mention of the NK yet, Young Griff and the GC already in the stormlands+Arianne and Dorne possibly joining him, and Dany seemingly being on the verge of moving on from Mereen after George figures out how this battle is going to get settled. It's def possible that the throne stuff gets semi-sorted out first, Cersei and company disposed of, Jon's parentage revealed as Dany/YOung Griff claim the throne, they Dany marches her armies/dragons north to attack Jon and the Northerners, they meet at the neck where Howland reveals all, Jon says there's no time we gotta get going to the wall the NK is coming, and then the battle for the dawn commences.

But seriously no idea how this plays out. Gimmie that damn book George.

 

I think his exact reasoning for going back to Cersei was supposed to be ambiguous. You could make the case he was going back to be with her just as easily as planning to kill her himself. I think maybe he even went back and forth himself, up until the end.

 

I think at the end of the day, he loved AND hated her, and he hated himself for that. He couldn't get beyond the fact that he was a 'hateful man', and the knowledge of her impending death pushed him over the edge of thinking he also deserves to die. He wasn't gonna let her die alone when he was just as terrible as she is, basically.

 

I guess you can make that the case if you want to see it that way, but I don’t know that there’s anything to imply that once he left Winterfell. He actually seemed pretty certain talking to Sansa that Cersei was going to die regardless so I did not read it as being ambiguous. He wanted to save her or at least be with her. I also would have assumed he would have pleaded to the Unsullied that he was going to kill Cersei instead of letting them capture him. Haha.

To be honest, once this season started, I became pretty confident that Jaime would not kill Cersei. They were kind of leading us that way, but I knew they had to have side-stepped the Valonqar prophecy for a reason. I also didn’t think killing Cersei (as well as his unborn child in the process) was probably the way they would take his character.

 

I like this explanation. He was trying to do the noble thing by being accountable for his actions instead of pushing it all on Cersei. I think that’s why it took so much convincing from Tyrion to actually run away with her instead of accepting their fate.

 

SPOILERS SPOILER







the spoilers on /r/freefolk were updated and have a lot more detail and rundown of the episode

 

Judging where the books are, with the plethora of characters there are, I almost can’t comprehend how we get to where we are in the show. Like Griff, Dorne and Stoneheart have to play some major role.

 

Same....it's no wonder GRRM is taking so long to write the book, there's like a thousand stories going on right now haha. Not sure if Lady Stoneheart plays a major role honestly, unless she moves North and fast. Griff/Dorne definitely will have a role here, even if it's just weakening Kings Landing. Dany may arrive in Westeros to a throne already occupied by someone claiming to be a Targaryen, and not Cersei.