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I don’t quite get why he was insistent Arya turn around because he recognized everyone was dying but still wanted to go fight the Mountain anyway

 

Because that was what had fueled him for pretty much his entire life, he NEEDED to kill his brother. And he recognized how that hate had ruined him, and he didn’t want that for Arya.

 

They do “redemption equals death” a lot, has there been anyone who completed that kind of arc and is still alive? I feel like there must be but I’m totally blanking.

 

Arya and Sansa, kind of.

 

Eeeeehhhhh I don’t think that’s the same thing. I mean like a Theon/Hound/Jorah/Jaime story.

 

Then what was the point of all the wandering he did with Arya and the Brotherhood Without Banners and the North? All these characters go through so much that gives them scope and purpose beyond the singular drives they had initially and I don’t love how the show has reverted them all back to those singular obsessions. It’s not so much that a character regresses, it’s that nearly all of them seem to be regressing, and that it’s not being done all that well. I don’t like the messaging of it and most of the execution of it.

 

Oh well Jorah did and just happened to die later.

 

I'm curious how you think that that's a regression for Arya.

 

I don’t think Arya is regressing (though I have some qualms with her handling, I like where she’s set up going into the finale), I was talking about Sandor

 

Exactly! Also I don’t know if I’d call it “just happening” but that’s not really important. He made his way back to her after his penance and everything and then he died defending her. Maybe I’m not blanking on someone...

 

Can you form a rudimentary lathe?

 

Get off the line, Guy!!

 

Oooh okay. I don't necessarily think that was regression either.

 

I like this thread re: Sandor

 

Well with Arya he was looking for a ransom, and then he also sorta felt responsible for her, became attached after a while. I think at that point he was thinking he might as well teach her how to kill so she doesn’t die.

The North/BWB didn’t happen until after he had been rescued by Brother Ray and his mindset had been widened to realizing hey maybe I can do something good while I’m here. I think revenge against Gregor had always been in the back of his head, like something he’d get to eventually either way once he was done serving his purpose with the BWB. That’s why he leaves Winterfell immediately after that battle. He knows time is running out with Dany on her way to KL so if he wants Gregor it’s now or never.

 

I think, like with Jamie, there was a lot of dramatization of his growth, of how he’s changed, and for him to literally point out the ridiculousness of pursuing revenge, especially when the city is falling down around the person you’re trying to kill and will very clearly kill them regardless, then go fight them anyway, didn’t land for me.

Cleganebowl was definitely fun, it was shot great and his spearing the Mountain, diving into the flames that had always been his Achilles heel, was a nice touch in theory. I just didn’t quite find it worked.

 

Last season when he saw the Mountain he all but said "I've got one thing to do then I'm coming to kill you"

 

Somewhere in the last dozen or so pages, someone mentioned something about it not making sense that they would sack the city despite the surrender. Logically, definitely not, but there is historical precedent with the sack of Constantinople during the fourth crusade. And they were technically allies going into it - at least in this case they were opposing forces. Not that this satisfies anyone, but my history mind kept thinking of this during the episode.

Didn’t they all die at the hands of the WW, not necessarily because of Baratheon? Night King was coming no matter what went down in KL. Nights watch dude, Jorah, and lyanna are the only three I remember.

I like the one Barstool did with meek. Not sure if I saw it in here or on Twitter...

Also...

For me, the best part of the episode was when the Hound stabbed Gregor in the neck and Gregor didn’t even flinch and the hound was like oh fuck and just started stabbing repeatedly to no avail.

 

Euron Greyjoy Got His Happy Ending

The part about his death scene is hilarious.

 

I wish Euron was making Nazi zombies in the show

 

Have to respect the guy for knowing they botched his character and squeezing out any joy he could. It’s sad that he almost says word for word in there that he’s just a prop and a plot device to move around, but at least he’s throwing what he has into it.

 

Wow