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I fully concede I came in hard and I have not argued with someone online since probably the second term of the second Bush administration because it is worthless, but there is just a lot off base here and I don’t feel the need to engage it further. I personally don’t need to hear about my privilege in regards to this particular thing. Be good and treat people good. Have a nice Friday.

 

Because he has a wife. Because he has a child. Because he has other loved ones and lives in a community. Because he still has people who look up to him. No, it's not insignificant, it's not justice, but it's the best realistic alternative possible at this point.

 

This is beyond parody

 

In my opinion, there can be a distinction between saying “wishing ill on others is toxic and unhealthy” and saying “your wishing ill on others is not understandable and wrong.” I can definitely see the validity there though, Eclipse.

 

Sexual violence is an issue that is surrounded by power imbalances and privilege, and while there are cis dude victims, it mostly effects those who are marginalized. you can't opt out of your privilege for this conversation because you're very much going to have a different perspective on it.

 

I can only read armpit fart noises on this message I'm sorry

 

I would be willing to continue this conversation with an open mind and civility, if you would too.

 

do you mind me asking for a rewording of this? This isn't meant to be rude or a gotcha or anything I'm just having trouble understanding, but that may be caused by exhaustion

 

Then you can reread all my posts from this thread because i have nothing more to say to someone who literally talks like a meme about radical centrists, you know, the ones with trillbys. I'm a very civil person to people who have the tools to engage in a conversation with me and don't try to waste my time sobbing about how toxic it is that I don't like rapists

 

I genuinely don't understand what this post is saying

 

My understanding of part of what was being said was that by arguing for less hatefulness and ill will towards the perpetrator, that that in some way served to invalidate the emotiona or viewpoint of a victim who feels the aforementioned hate.

So I was trying to say that there’s a difference between arguing for less hate for that reason, and the reason that I personally argue for less hate, which is that I feel that it only serves to make things worse and that some sort of veangence based justice mentality is bad for all parties. Does that make sense? I apologize for not being more articulate here.

Edit: just because feeling the hate and ill will is justified doesn’t make it right or healthy, ya know?

 

I feel like you’re spending more time getting out of having a conversation than you are trying to add anything here.

 

arguing for less hate only works when the other party is listening. Jesse lacey is not listening, he will not listen, he doesn't give a fuck, and he's actively refused to engage into any kind of atonement or accountability. What world do you all live in? Want to spread love and stop hate? Stop being all rustled by the weak resisting the powerful with all they have (mean mean little words) and start telling the people who made up literal conspiracy theories about Lacey's victims to Love More And Stop Ruining These Women's Lives and directing threats at them. THAT'S productive. THAT'S changing something.

 

again I have nothing to add, you just reread what I've already said and I will not have a conversation with you, I think I've made that pretty clear

 

Anyway I hope jesse lacey gets hit by an eighteen wheeler

 

I think that if you really want less hate in the world, you need to argue for less hate regardless of what the other side is doing. You can’t fuel an arguement with hate and expect the outcome to be less hate. Don’t stoop to the level of those you claim to be below you.

 

Oh boy you really need a basic course in power dynamics, class dynamics and gender politics. Google it and come back when you have something to say that actually makes sense in the real world

 

Would you mind engaging the words I typed with responses relevant to them? Im afraid my I.Q. Might be too low to handle those types of things so maybe you could help educate me, I’d hate to be ignorant.

 

Got you! I feel like a lot of this is going to be a person to person, case by case thing, so i just wanna clarify I'm mostly going to be speaking from my viewpoint/perspective here. I also apologize if I seem to maybe be missing the point. I often hear people talk about how anger towards those who've caused by trauma will only hurt me, not them. But it's in general, not realistic for me to completely forgive and forget. Nor is it realistic for my anger to be constructive 100% of the time. In general I believe in restorative justice and no capital punishment, but in our current society powerful rich white cis men don't have any initiative to want to go through any accountability process, because for the most part they face little to no consequences for their actions. And in general, the hate that I feel for abusers who took advantage of their power, is nothing on the hatred they feel for me. My words can't do much, their hatred can cause direct action and hurt to me and has. There's a lot of bigger concepts here that I have trouble articulating and myself am still learning and understanding, and I understand if you believe differently and would like to respectfully agree to disagree.

 

www.google.com

 

or paypal me, it's £10 an hour for me to explain basic concepts of how the world works to you

 

Leerkat, I think it would be of benefit to everybody if you tried to come off as a little less angry or condescending. Even if you’re %100 right, if you come off that way it makes people far less likely to listen to you, and if you really ARE right, then that’s bad for everybody.

i really appreciate you taking the time to type that out! And I don’t think you’re missing the point, we just may have a slight disagreement in that I think victims should strive to be forgiving regardless of whether or not that’s fair, because it’s rarely fair. Although, I can’t pretend to not understand where it’s coming from. I can only imagine the unjust pain all victims are put through and so it would be unkind for anyone to act as if examples of anger are somehow completely wrong. Regardless of how anyone feels about some of the things discussed in this thread, I think everyone should be sympathetic to what you’ve said here.

 

Goddamn i wish they made bleach but for websites

 

"I wish you'd be less mean to me, who has said nothing but condescending and belittling things to you, because you owe me education and niceness even though I am holding a position that is cartoonishly offensive and unprogressive and I'm literally advocating for you to please be more palatable in your anger that a rapist is out there and kicking. because you know it's so upsetting to me that you're reminding me with your anger that I live in an incredibly privileged position that allows me to think that if the oppressed are nice to their oppressors it will suddenly change anything at all and bad things will stop somehow"

 

I see. You’re not interested in helping the world. You’ve got a different kind of bend going on. Well, if you don’t want to try and work things out so one of us could leave this conversation a better person, then maybe I should stop trying too, think I’ve been pushing it a bit too long anyway. God bless ya.