Avengers: Infinity War (Joe & Anthony Russo, April 27, 2018) Movie • Page 58

I mean I wanted this to go on for way longer than it did. I honestly don't think I'll ever get bored of seeing superheroes in movies. If Casablanca had Spider-Man in it I'm sure I'd love it.

 

Pretty much all of the Wakanda battle scenes (sans Thor’s amazing entrance) felt pretty boring/unremarkable, especially since it was paired up with the fucking awesome battle on Titan.

 

I think it was pretty lame to keep the main Avengers alive and let practically all the new characters die if I had to complain, at least kill Cap or Thor.

 

Well, by and large I disagree with this premise. I think all art contains elements of both subjectivity and objectivity.

But you don't know that. What you know is what you're given in this three hours and I'd argue it's not a whole lot, especially from a stakes level. You're instead given the movie equivalent of an etch-a-sketch and it feels like a TV show when they have a nice big cliffhanger ending and you know immediately how it'll all be tidy'd up within two episodes of the next season.

This isn't a great analogy for me because I think those movies are pretty shitty and they failed in their ability to tell that story. Needing the time and using the time effectively I think are core parts of making a movie.

And .. my argument is if you decide you need to do that, fine, but that doesn't make the movie good just because you made that decision. The decision existing for a reason doesn't make it "right" by itself.

But I don't care what happens in the latter part of the story because I can already guess what's going to happen because it's a thinly written and predictable story. Giving me this background doesn't make that better. Put another way, you had 18 movies to build up this story and parts of those 18 movies worked really well to build to something that felt like a Lego set that's missing pieces or mixed with four other sets. I think that's a structural failing from a story perspective. I think very good stories can be told in different amount of times and it's on the writers to do that well. Instead, this has the weight of a feather in space held up only by the heights of previous films made by better writers and directors.

 

yeah. this is why I think its unfair to pass judgements like this just yet. Maybe movie-making criticisms are more valid, but the creative decisions have to be placed in context of two movies. Clearly the new avengers are coming back and Id bet the OG Avengers are alive simply to have their last big sendoff movie next May and their story will be done with a couple/few of them dying.

 

I definitely think the OG's are where they are for the next one.

 

Can I get a Spider-Man that actually uses what we learned about him in the previous movie or is that too much to ask? They practically shit on everything Homecoming (which had its own issues) set the character and person up to be.

 

But you like Casablanca.

 

Using "you gotta wait for the next one before pointing out the glaring flaws in this one" as a defense of this movie ... makes me dislike this one even more.

 

Yeah, they made him better. I had way more fun with Spider-Man in this than I did with Homecoming.

 

Oh man, you got me defending one of the most respected movies of all time by quoting me talking about my belief Peter Jackson failed to capture what I think is the essence of Tolkien. Uh, good one.

 

Yeah I was also initially annoyed at the OGs being the survivors but it makes perfect sense if A4 will be heavily about them reconciling. There were a couple little reunions but they took a backseat to stopping Thanos.

If that *isnt* the direction they’re going in then well they’re pretty dumb I guess

 

They ignored the core theme of that movie.

 

You think it would have been better if he stayed on the bus and went on the field trip?

 

Given the ability to write the movie myself, I have infinite options to choose from.

 

I think it kinda depends on how you view the MCU sad a whole. If you view them as individual movies/franchises that should be able to stand alone, then yeah I can see a lot of the flaws in this movie.

But I kinda see the MCU as it’s own strange, unique beast that doesn’t adhere to the conventional rules and practices of movies and really does veer more towards TV where they’re all just episodes, with Infinity War being episode 19.

I don’t know what exactly the point Im trying to make here is I forgot which posts even led me to this thought.

 

For those feeling that this movie had nothing to "say"... what would you have wanted that messaging to be? Did the original comics have some greater message? I'm just curious where the entitlement to being fed some greater meaning behind the film is coming from. This movie had a massive scope to fit into a single movie and still be somewhat coherent. I applaud it for that as it is.

 

They're like comic books, they're messy. Some stand alone better than others. Some basically require previous knowledge. For some people that's a negative and for some it's a positive.

 

"If you set the bar low enough, this movie leaps over it!"

I've never understood this line of thinking.

 

Why is it a positive for a film to require prior knowledge? I hate the idea of having to watch 10 years of movies in order to understand the minor relationships between the characters or to have any emotional payoff. It isn’t a tv show, and it’s a pretty big stretch to call them sequels.

 

Hmmm, "entitlement."



I think a reason for existing is a core tenant to creating art. What the message is you're trying to get across, what you're trying to convey to the audience, I'd argue, is one of the main distinctions between humanity in art and just letting an AI do the entire thing by cutting and pasting (oh, and that is absolutely coming in our future btw). Bringing a message, meaning, theme, and/or identity is what makes art, art. I think spectacle for spectacle's sake is fine, but that admission doesn't negate the flaws in searching for something else or wanting something else. My "entitlement" is baked around a desire for good storytelling leading to movies that are more than spectacle.

 

Thank you! That's exactly the problem.

 

I guess I can't answer because I'm not coming from that angle. Having a film bring together characters and plot points from 10 years worth of movies I've watched though is a huge positive. I feel like if I was interested in Infinity War though and somehow hadn't seen all of the other movies I'd be pretty excited to.

 

Agreed. This Spider-Man felt much better .

 

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You can wholeheartedly love a piece of entertainment through and through, without reservation, and be happy that it exists... and still be fine with the valid criticisms of those who felt the opposite. The beauty of entertainment is that, to some extent, you can like whatever you like, and that's fine. You don't have to be "right" about it.


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