Anthony Green and The High and Driving Band - Boom. Done. (July 22, 2022) Album • Page 22

sidenote: silverstein and emery are some of the most milquetoast bands i can think of and theyre still doing it haha

 

Full collapse and TAYF were both 100x bigger than TTN

 

the music of juturna is alien. and its such a fully realized vibe. the melodies are masterful they just weave around and intertwine. i dont even get how it all came together. incredible album.

 

The TTN obsession is crazy to me. It’s fine but picking it over entire discographies??

 

did early Thursday have any thrashy riffs like TTN did some? there were some proto what became modern metalcore guitars going on in TTN.

 

Full Collapse can certainly be put in the same vein as TTN vocally, but instrumentally they had a wider range of melodic parts intertwined with a much more structured approach.

Aside from Anthony obvi, I feel like the drums on TTN are still insanely impressive/fun/the second biggest standout of the whole thing.

 

good thing thats not what this conversation is about

 

its ridiculous

 

and the initial argument made was TTN was the biggest influence of the screaming and singing dynamic that took off around that time. which i think should be attributed to the two aforementioned albuns, not a small EP that barely anyone outside of the underground scene heard. not sure why we're getting comments about how much people like the bands or the difference in sound on FC or whatever lol

 

It’s not close. 10000x bigger would be closer. And I’m the literal first person to have written about the band online, before they had a band name or Anthony joined.

 

i had 1000x but deleted a 0 lol

 

??? modern metalcore guitars were straight from at the gate's slaughter of the soul in.... 1995. atreyu was doing that shit in 02 on suicide notes.


but for the sake of argument 2:17

 

TTN better than anything pre No Devolution Thursday. Or anything TBS ever did / will do.

 

this has nothing better to do with whats better than what but thats a ridiculously laughable statement

 

TTN better than Full Collapse through Common Existence?

How dare you!

I believe this discussion has lost the plot.

 

TTN isnt even as good as Waiting, let alone the five stone cold masterpieces thursday followed it with

 

That’s my platform and I’m sticking to it

 

I’d rank Thursday albums in the reverse order they were released.

Let the hate rain down

 

i would too aside from ACBTLD and CE which id swap but they're literally all perfect to near perfect aside from waiting

 

War all the time is flawless.

 

I’d like a war all the time remaster.

 

Some thoughts:
-I find it interesting that aside from some “I’ll take x over y’s discographies” takes nobody seems to be giving much weight to the fact that one is an EP and the other is a LP. I feel like that has to limit TTN’s ceiling as influential.
-I adore(d) TTN but I never thought it was particularly influential. It wasn’t fundamentally different than any of its 300 peers and I’m not sure there’s a band I can point to and say “yep that’s thanks to Saosin”, it was just really really really fun entry to listen to. It’s probably my favorite EP, but until voices blew up, Saosin always felt like the band that opened up for bigger post-hardcore bands so you saw them 13 times before you ever saw em headline.
-juturna’s an incredible debut, and it sounds impeccable, but how influential was it in its own right? Circa got big, and were/are the best at what they do, and juturna is a classic, but their sound itself was still a relatively small chunk of the scene. For example, we don’t have a circa equivalent of swancore. Maybe I’m totally off, idk, but circa have always existed in this very well defined niche for me, doing their own thing.
-regardless of what one thinks of these bands’ respective discographies, Thursday have to be the most influential
-WYWTB >> TAYF :)

 

I'd take every song on TTN over every Thursday song too.

 

I don’t think anything became an argument. More so people just called it influential and a big deal. I don’t think more people having heard TBS and Thursday casually changes or takes away from the uniqueness of TTN at the time of release. If it had enough impact to be debated on the internet 20 years later, I’d say that’s notable impact somewhere.

 

I also don't feel like TTN was that influential or at least not much ever came close to replicating the sound. That just makes it more special to me though because it's still so unique.

It's the only release with 5 songs on it that would crack my top 20 and if it was twice that length it would be in my top 10.