Accountability in Music • Page 731

A theater in my town booked Ryan Adams for april and its so incredibly disappointing but, also a constant reminder that the overwhelming majority of casual everyday people have no idea about any of the allegations brought against some people like him.

 

extremely helpful post, good work

 

i mean, they're not wrong. this thread is constantly a complete and colossal train wreck.

feels like we've been dancing around 'how do we make this thread better' for ages.

 

The thread is double-edged sword that can often be very helpful/informative while others use it to have giant pissing matches. It's obviously fine to leave the thread, I just think announcing and framing it like that as if the thread has no value whatsoever is silly and dismissive

 

this isn’t an airport etc

 

I just don’t see this thread as being the trainwreck it’s characterized as. In most cases, if someone is off point or something brought up is closer to a personal matter for the artist and not something to be held accountable, someone says so and we all move on.

It’s still far better than going into a particular artists thread or, worse, subreddit and trying to have that discussion, even on here.

 

Thank you. I actually have conversations with people from this thread ABOUT this thread on other platforms because it doesn't do what it was intended to do. People are either fighting about performative nonsense, or posting a tweet to which we get 3 responses of "that band sucks anyway". I've held out for a really long time. I've read, I've contributed, even made suggestions on how to improve it. I'm not banking on it improving, so I'll keep talking about accountability with people whom I know will take it seriously.

Since this site began & on AP, have I ever said anything close to resembling that this topic didn't have value? You're twisting my words to fit some narrative that this thread is actually more beneficial than toxic. Which for me and a lot of other people, it's definitely more toxic. I already get all this information on Twitter without the elitist childish personal callouts (thanks for your first reply to me btw, it was extremely helpful for my & all of our growth. And def not at all a further affirmation of how this thread is broken, especially coming from a moderator). My only goal with vocalizing leaving is that maybe everyone in here can see that by not reigning in the chaos, people who think this is an EXTREMELY important topic to discuss regularly & openly are pushed away.

 

Did a bit more digging on Punk Rock MBA. Turns out, he also had a MetalSucks advice column in the mid-2010s where he suggested that guys try to date "2nd generation immigrants" because they will "inherit all the good values of their parents... without the bad parts." (Link for those who want to see it all. There's also a piece about how "girls don't like metal.")

Yeah. Fuck him. And fuck anybody who supports him.

One could argue that he could have grown since 2015 but... Literally nothing about the present situation indicates that he's changed. This is way grosser and blatant than I would have thought. Even if those pieces were meant to be "satirical" he missed the mark.

 

i had no idea he was sargent d and it makes perfect sense

 

I don't know you or your specific contributions to this thread; my goal is not to twist anyone's words or get into the kind of pissing match that can tend to derail this thread when tensions are high. I understand that the thread does not always work as intended, but considering the amount of times it does deliver on important discussions that aren't happening in other online communities, I found your first post to be flippant at best and condescending towards those of us who do take accountability seriously at worst.

 

Instead of taking offense to someone (who also views accountability in music as an utmost priority) vocalizing leaving the thread, I hope you, as a moderator for the website reaching out in an important thread, choose to attempt to make it a better place for conversation in the future. And when people decide to leave, try to remember that sarcasm & pettiness REALLY didn't help advance the purpose of the thread.

P.S. - Thanks everyone in here who does attempt to promote accountability in music & keep conversations going in the right direction. I really would love to come back here one day. I hope you all can make this the place it's supposed to be

 

I honestly have never really understood what people expect out of this thread that it isn’t already used for. I come in here to find out who in music did what and use the information aggregated here to formulate my thoughts on said artist/individual and engage in a little bit of discussion about it. What else is supposed to happen here…? What kind of accountability are we, a single thread on a relatively niche message board, supposed to bring forth exactly? Perhaps the thread is poorly titled and should instead be called the “artist misconduct awareness thread” or something, but beyond that I’ve never really understood what the big problem some seem to have with this thread is.

 

As someone who is half Japanese, reading the stuff about that dude in here made my blood boil. It goes beyond that terrible advice in the MetalSucks column, and goes to that group about Asian wives. It's fetishization, and it's gross as hell. It also ties into the model minority myth a bit, and I truly encourage anyone who isn't aware of what that is, or why Asians are seen as having some sort of proximity to whiteness (and thus an acceptable minority in the grand scheme of things), this NPR article is a good read.

 

It’s an emotional subject, the conversation is apt to be inelegant.

At times though, it comes across like the tendency to naval gaze is a pattern of constantly recentering the conversation on the white man (figuratively speaking), an ally who makes it all about themself. Doesn’t seem malicious so much as ppl not thinking

 

IMO, this thread would be a better place if everyone took it a bit less seriously. Obviously, accountability is a very serious topic and should be taken as such, but the thread itself is not as important as we make it out to be. The amount of 'does this post really belong here' arguments we get into is a bit much. Like, this isnt some Sacred Text, its just an internet forum.

 

Heard on the radio driving home today the local country station is having a round Robin voting tournament for the best new song from Morgan Wallen’s latest album.

 

100% agree.

Maybe it’s cynical, but I think with anyone mentioned in this, the entertainment or sports accountability threads, it feels like either a self-aggrandizing or naive gesture to say “I’m holding (subject) accountable” when I think that even the sum of people in the thread couldn’t make a dent in the noise of the fans’ unwavering praise of said subject (not that we shouldn’t try).

I definitely think this has served better as what you put.

 

TBH, the title you've suggested feels more appropriate - and in alignment with what most people use it for. But it's all the same, really... I don't think "accountability" needs to be a big thing. By choosing not to listen to an artist or go to certain shows you are holding them accountable in your own little corner of the world. All those little decisions add up.

Yeah, it's definitely fetishization. And it aligns with so many of his views/perspectives that creep out into his videos, tweets, etc. He's very surface-level and focused on aesthetic. It's just gross. And seeing the fanbase he's amassed is a bummer (definitely an understatement).

Thank you for sharing that article too! I was aware of that in general terms but it's good to have a name for it, the statistics, etc.

 

some posts really do not belong tho lol

 

there certainly is a burden on the people who post news and information in this thread to truly reflect on their own posts before hitting ‘post reply’. i‘ve said this before, this should not be the thread for drive-by “so and so was a jerk in public” posts. ask yourself truly is this something accountability of any kind should be or can be brought?

 

To add to my earlier post, I also think this thread is super important for someone like myself, and probably many others here. I listen to a lot of music, but I’m not super tuned in to probably 95% of the artists I enjoy (and obviously those I don’t), and I can genuinely say I’d probably have never caught wind of the overwhelming majority of heinous shit so many artists do that gets shared in here. I’m rarely the type who can or is willing to separate the art from the artist, and I want to be aware of the kinds of things typically discussed in here, so I’m very glad this thread exists and operates the way it does.

 

Same here. I guess I could go to Twitter, but nah.

 

I think you're taking the thread too seriously.

 

Am i? I definitely want to know when someone i may listen to is accused of sexual assault or other racist, sexist, reprehensible behavior. But i also dont really care to know that someone left a bad tip and was rude to a bartender one night.

if we’re taking an accountability thread “too serioslusly” why even have it at all

weird post

 

I’ve been pretty outspoken about how much I dislike this thread in the past, have said I’m leaving, etc. and the truth is whether you like it or not this threads gonna trudge on without ya. And so what I’ve realized is, yeah a lot of posts just don’t belong. Lots of people nobody cared about or supported to begin with are repeatedly posted in here, things that have nothing to do with accountability get brought up, and people often times seem to think posting is some avenue to real accountability (it’s not). BUT the discussions that happen here, that we can have if something is posted that doesn’t fit, if an approach I disagree with is being taken, not to mention the discussion when something is posted that does belong and how we would like to change things for the better in music, is all extremely valuable stuff and a net good for the site. I admit my complaints are a laundry list of nit picks. But the good that comes out of this thread will trump it every time.