Accountability in Music • Page 52

i believe the culture change is very important, i think both these things tie together. more women don't want to join these scenes unless they feel safe to do so. yet the culture won't be changed unless more women join it. that alone keeps things from growing, and i have so much respect for the awesome people who are willing to deal with all the sexist trash out there in order to make a difference

 

White men who only listen to white men aren't generally the kind of people who listen to talk about representation anyway.

Then you get into the issue of white men speaking for margainlized groups rather than amplifying the voices in those groups. People who won't listen to margainlized groups have made a choice not to listen. At that point they are part of the problem and the community should organize against them. Which is easier if the community has margainlized people in it. Just my two cents.

 

So I woke up to my notifications blown up, the founder of DIS and a bunch of other contributors were very angry this was even posted, and it was taken down. All of this happened on my tweet thread, welp

statement was made as well:

 

that sort of consciously directed effort is def important, but also a lot of cultural change is enacted unconsciously. the types of voices that are present and active in a particular community will inherently alter the culture of that particular community, and the participants of that community will be personally transformed from that interaction and carry that transformation back into their daily lives. this might not always happen in a way that's explicitly visible or fast, but it does happen and is equally important.

I think women existing tenuously in male-dominated spaces is a different phenomenon from women flooding into male-dominated spaces and making it so that it's no longer male-dominated. because internal biases are unconsciously generated from socialization that prioritizes the dominant group, it makes sense that they can be unconsciously unlearned from a different kind of a socialization where marginalized voices are present and listened to.

 

there's this concept of prefigurative politics, where radical collectives are expected to embody the relationships/organization modes that they hope to bring about into the larger world. building communities (externalizations) that reflect desired but as yet unrealized collective internalizations can actually produce that set of internalizations, since culture is a dialogue between internal/external.

 

Jack Antonoff Says He Asked His Record Label To Drop R. Kelly “A Number Of Times”

 

Maybe not the right thread, but something I've been thinking about. I figured some people in here would have some interesting thoughts.

I think we should refer back to what the specific victim of abuse wants when dealing with an abuser. But what should we do when someone has multiple victims that want different things? How can we handle that situation so that all of thier victims get the justice they want/deserve?

Obviously this would be easier if our legal justice system wasn't complete shit and we could actually trust it.

 

I think Judge Aquilina tried to approach the Larry Nassar case with that issue in mind. Every instance - even separate victims of the same abuser - is completely different and should be heard, acknowledged, and treated as such.

In the context of these musicians though, the unfortunate truth is none of us can really provide justice. All we can do is provide a welcoming environment for any victim willing to speak about it, and support each of them individually. I don't think we can realistically do more than that, unfortunately.

 

I think creating a more diverse environment starts with people booking shows and bands choosing supports. It should be the responsibility of those with a platform to actively search for bands that contain people other than straight, white cis men. In turn, this hopefully is giving minority groups a a larger platform in the scene.

 

Anyone heard anything about Life Lessons? They’ve been inactive since their tour with Four Year Strong, but I was informed that they’ve apparently called it quits due to some allegations. I can’t find anything anywhere though, so I am not sure the situation.

 

I just wanted to chime in on a topic that was said a few posts back. At the risk of generalizing/oversimplifying things a bit, in America white men are roughly divided into two groups: those who lean more to the left, and those who lean more to the right. I don't think it's an outlandish claim to say that those on the conservative end of the spectrum tend to have more problematic views regarding race, sexism, social justice, etc. Not everyone surely, but more than you'd find on the liberal side.

With that in mind, I am a straight white male who is extremely left-leaning. But it isn't something you'd know about me until we've had a conversation. This is important, because it means bigoted white men (or women) can't just look at me and dismiss me before they've even heard what I've had to say. This is an extremely important privilege I am allowed, and this sounds like a joke, even a few more minutes than (for example) a woman of color might get to speak their mind.

My point is: half of the white men in this country feel very estranged from the other half. On a social level, on a political level, you name it. It's not enough for just victims and the disenfranchised to speak out; we have to speak out too. Now I may never be able to speak FOR women or know firsthand their experiences, but I consider myself obligated to try to change the minds of those who pollute our culture. When a bigoted straight white man looks at me, he sees someone familiar. Someone he at least trusts more than those he attacks, as disgusting as that sounds. My choice in empowering myself is to use that status to my advantage to chip away, little by little, at these people to hopefully make a difference. It's really easy to believe today that not a single person on that side can be swayed, that they're too far gone. But that's probably how it felt in the Civil Rights movement too, and yet things changed. Through tireless efforts not just from people of color, but also white men and women who knew the status quo was injustice, things got better - little by little.

I guess I'm just saying that, women cannot fight this battle alone. You can put all the women-fronted bands, photographers, production crew, bookers, management into the scene you want; it's going to help, but it's not enough to change hearts and minds. We also need men to do their part. Racism and sexism needs an enemy that looks familiar, to get them pause and consider if they're wrong. Turn prejudice against itself.

 

It surprised me when, while watching the last Dave Chappelle special, he put what you're talking about pretty succinctly, basically "the only reason that the LGBT [insert group] is making progress in America is because white males are giving their issues attention."

 

with piebald on fest can we remember this and not let this be forgotten this time???

 

Good lord. WHY IS SO HARD TO NOT BE A TOTAL CREEP. I just don’t get it.

 

this post was in here like, eight months ago. this person who tweeted it has a checkmark next to their name so they have no reason to lie. i'm beyond stunned how little traction that tweet got

 

Oh yeah, I don't question the validity of it all. I just don't understand how the human brain can think these are okay situations. I definitely never had the success of Piebald, but I was in a band with a hometown hero kinda following and we certainly had young girls at our shows and this kind of behavior was just never considered acceptable, for me at least. Even some of the members of our band were shitbags but they never did this kind of shit. They were just assholes.

 

Thought about that as soon as I saw the announcement. I think the fact that Fest of all places booked them and the people I’ve seen stoked about it just shows how much this particular story is under the radar.

 

that post doesn't even have double digit retweets! how is that possible?!?!?!

 

Don’t read the comments on this it’s not worth it

 

this statement is evergreen, if you ever can not deal with comments just don't do it. you know what you're getting into

 

i thought this was pretty reasonable. Mentioned believing and supporting victims and obviously they looked into it and have been closely monitoring what the situation was. Hopefully the other members can do something else under a new name.

 

would be cool if facebook had a feature to block comments a la youtube. not particularly necessary to have randoms comment on an abuse accountability post, for example.

 

that's the moose blood tour right?