Accountability in Music • Page 239

isn’t that one of pete wentz’ new cosigns? hmmmm....

 

That tour doesn’t start til July? Wonder how many more of those bands will be “removed” from the roster before then...

also, kinda silly to be talking about bringing positive vibes on the Sad Summer Fest tour.

 

Oh wow maybe now get Four Years Strong, State Champs and JJR off the tour, guys!

 

holy shit this is a fucking yuck fest

 

Mmm yes very good that the drummer from TWY is still friends with H*rry C*rrigan on FB

 

Love that a bunch rapist sympathizers are getting together to tour again, can't wait for them to talk about strong values and defending marginalized groups with 20 other bands that are exclusively white men.

 

Don’t get me wrong, I can’t stand JJR either, and I very much wish that TWY wouldn’t have made it so easy for him to get more work in this scene by their failure to make a statement when they cut their ties with him... but idk how productive it is to complain that a member of TWY is still friends with JJR on FB. Everybody deserves friends, ideally friends who would hold them accountable when they mess up (which, yes, may not be the case here, but still).

I’m also very open to pushback on this if there’s something I’m failing to see/understand. I’ve been thinking about it since that photo popped up from JJR’s Twitter or IG or whatever it was with him and Mikey hugging. Like, it’s not exactly encouraging to see, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth for sure, but idk if it’s callout-worthy I guess, unless Mikey or another member of TWY is somehow actively out there trying to rehabilitate his image (which never took much of a bullet anyway unfortunately). I’d cringe way harder if that photo had come from Mikey’s account instead of JJR’s.

 

Did they, did anyone, hold him accountable? Where’s the evidence of that?

 

It’s 100% call out worthy

 

I doubt they did. I didn’t mean for my post to suggest that, but can see how it could. I guess I meant to say, ideally if they are choosing to continue personal relationships with him, they would be helping to call him out on any shit that I’m sure he will get himself into again, or keeping him in check to make sure it doesn’t happen again, but yeah, there’s no real reason to believe that’s actually what the relationship is like. I just feel weird about saying they shouldn’t be friends period cuz that’s their business and idk how realistically we can expect that to change.

 

As the person lied to by the dude trying to cover up assault, and seeing his flourishing career as I got basically blacklisted by the label with some of the biggest bands in the scene I cover, yeah I’d say I find it troublesome that by literally all outward appearances to us or anyone that could have learned something from the situation ... nothing even happened.

 

(I feel like I’m disagreeing with people whose opinions I really respect so I’m gonna back out of this question that I posed and just listen instead)

 

One thing that is cool to see is that Warped Tour hasn't really had a history of removing problematic artists but Sad Summer did within 24 hours. Small victories.

 

This one stings. Probably (was) my favorite band at the moment. I have tickets to their headliner and everything.

 

What band is this?

 

My bad, Hot Mulligan.

 

Hopefully they do the right thing and remove him. If not, guess I'm leaving after Belmont on their headliner.

 

Gross. Are there any other details relating to that? Scrolling through that TL and the responses seems like a ton of people super giddy over "cancelling" the band and not much discourse about the situation. Did the (ex, i'd assume) girlfriend come forward and say the relationship was abusive or manipulative? Or did people just search an ask.fm for problematic shit?

It's super skeevy to be 18 and dating a middle schooler, regardless.

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Or, he was younger and she was in middle school when they started dating? I don't really understand the situation.

 

Not so sure about canceling a 17 year old for dating a 14 year old (I believe the ages are wrong in that tweet) just based on someone scouring said 17 year old's ask.fm. if she feels the relationship was improper, sure, but this one kinda reeks of weird pop punk stan Twitter looking for someone to cancel

 

Any truth to this?

 

Apparently he was 17 and she was 14, but they stayed together when he turned 18. It's a huge gray area. Also, High School kids are dumb. I think I'm willing to let it slide if they make a good statement.

 

I mean I'm going to side-eye any relationship with a Junior/Senior in HS and an 8th grader, if that's what the case was. I just don't understand what people want done about it if there was no abuse allegations or anything involving the girlfriend. (I'm super hesitant to even call her a survivor or victim b/c we don't know literally anything about the relationship).

 

It sucks that these situations are approached like “is this a cancellable offense?” And “I think I could let it slide” and stuff. Like these bring up really valid questions like: was this a problematic relationship? What is a healthy age gap, especially in teen years? When does it cross a line AND how long ago was it/how relevant is it to their current self? Is it okay to bring something up you find when purposefully digging for something problematic? Does it make it any less valid?
Like there are so many conversations that could come from situations like this but it only ends up being people arguing about whether that specific person deserves forgiveness or to be “cancelled” and it rly sucks

 

Yeah, this is exactly where I'm at. You have people in the replies calling him a pedophile and throwing out "cancelled" like it actually means something. Leaves a very weird taste in my mouth.