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You literally cannot talk about not knowing the reality of football lol.

What we lack is an offensive line and a quarterback. Fournette will help that, sure. But what, is he going to dive onto Linder's back and then jump over him every play? AJ Cann is by far the second best offensive linemen on the team. Cann is not that good.

Yeldon was overdrafted? Man, it took you two years to say something that took me two seconds to say and yet I'm the one that doesn't understand football. It adds balance, okay, sure, in a vacuum, ideally speaking, and ignoring the fact that there are 31 other teams in the NFL. I mean technically yeah, it adds balance. But that's just a rhetorical term with as much thought into it as any given NFL Network or ESPN broadcast. Cincinnati had one of the most balanced offenses in football last season.

 

Yeah but good offensive linemen aren't as hard to find as truly elite backs. I still say let's get him and then spend both day two picks on line. As I've said before if there was an LT worth a top five pick I'd take him instead all day. But there isn't so let's not waste the chance to get Fournette to force a need.

I'd rather give you this "told you so" than miss on Fournette.

Balance is not a "rhetorical term" lol teams do not win with unbalanced offensive attacks. The 00s colts were one of the best passing offenses in recent memory and constantly got booted out of the playoffs because they lacked balance. Even if Cincy sucked they would have been worse if they had a lopsided offensive attack.

Balanced offense is what makes a team hard to predict because you can truly diversify your playbook and essentially "have control" of the strategy and flow as a play caller. That's so silly that you're going to write off an actually important concept as a buzzword.

And I never said you didn't understand football but you often ignore the context of my argument when you try to simplify your response down to one cheeky sentence. It waters down the point im actually trying to make. The point of drafting Fournette is not just because of what he can do but what he opens up for the rest of your offense.

A balanced Jags offense beats more teams, no it's not going to catapult us into the playoffs but you're just being damn stubborn to act like it wouldn't help a lot.

 

The Browns have so many picks I'm reading that they're interested in moving up to the teens

 

I would too. Garrett, Trubisky, Receiver or RB. Fuck it, I'd bait with Trubs, take Fournette in the top eight, and then take Trubisky in the teens haha

 

I don't think he'll be there in the teens, probably someone else and I guarantee because it's the Browns we will all lol and say "they could've picked him at 33, dorks!"

 

Or. Trade down, get picks, take Ramczyk, and take Guice next year :p

I'd reckon a lot playoff teams have a somewhat lopsided attack actually. Teams like Detroit and New Orleans would be contenders if their GM knew how to draft defense. Denver was lopsided as fuck up until last year.

[QUOTR]Balanced offense is what makes a team hard to predict because you can truly diversify your playbook and essentially "have control" of the strategy and flow as a play caller. That's so silly that you're going to write off an actually important concept as a buzzword.[/QUOTE]

More rhetoric haha. It's not writing the concept off, it's just acknowledging that you're operating in a vacuum here.

[QUOTR]And I never said you didn't understand football but you often ignore the context of my argument when you try to simplify your response down to one cheeky sentence. It waters down the point im actually trying to make. The point of drafting Fournette is not just because of what he can do but what he opens up for the rest of your offense.[/QUOTE]

I actually do the opposite haha. I'm reminding you that the context isn't Jacksonville, it's the NFL.

It would help but so would drafting Trubisky lol. So would taking Ramczyk. So would Howard. Most things would help lol. It's about maximizing your success. Fournette would be waiting for two years while we build a line.

 

I'm at work and on twice as many cups of coffee as I am hours of sleep and I don't get off until 10pm. So my level of caring is going to vary haha.

 

Good thing the draft isn't today!

 

Someone please take dalvin cook

 

1 day

 

Trade down isn't gonna be possible. A lot more teams wanna move down than up. We are gonna have to just take the best guy and that's probably 4net.

All teams that can both run and pass though. You're changing the context if you start talking about defense, which the Lions and Saints actually were decent at during their last playoff appearances!

I'm talking about, it's easier for teams to play defense against you, if you can't run and you rely too much on the pass. Really, really simple stuff that I know you don't disagree with.

All any draft is, is operating based on what can make your own team better. I never in this argument said we'd beat X team or make more progress than Y team if we added Fournette. The Jags can't exactly throw a spiked blue shell at better teams - we can't do anything regarding other teams so we only CAN operate in a vacuum.

I just said he would improve and diversify the entire ball control dynamic of the Jags, and make it harder for a opponents to put us in a box.

Well that's the wrong way of looking at it. It's draft day. Improving the Jags as a standalone team is the number one focus, before you even think about getting ahead of other teams.

Comes down to me disagreeing with the last sentence. Fournette is a difference maker who could find creases and run over box safeties even behind our trash line. If I'm right about this, that WOULD maximize our success, because of all the other key facets of the game that running the football is tied to.

 

The life of being a Jags fan. You guys need a reality TV show.

 

We will hopefully someday be good enough for these paragraphs to matter even a little bit

 

I don't haha. He would fit. That was my point haha

 

Not quoting the monster post. Just laughing at you saying the line doesn't matter lol. He will find creases in defensive linemen? Okee. Gurley did the same last year right? Gordon the year before? Etc...

 

NFL Draft Cover Letter | The Players' Tribune

this is a good read

 

You realize this is basically the same argument as "let's not be on Spotify because we aren't pro enough yet". Fournette is a great resource for any team even if they cant get as many yards out of him as other teams. (And yes this is me admitting being wrong in the other argument.)

You still draft the elite piece, under the impression that if you can't figure out what do with that player in 4 years, that's your own damn fault and considered "failure". We have time to figure out how to get the most out of him. But not drafting him guarantees we lose the chance to have something that most other NFL teams don't have.

I just think if we wait around for our line to be good first we will be waiting forever. Eventually we need a decisive back, who puts less pressure on linemen to sustain blocks and make good open space decisions, in order to bridge that gap.

 

Stop ruining Fournette haha. I want him to be successful but you won't realize you're wrong unless he fails.

 

Sorry? I have more interest in the Jags getting good than any one player's immediate success. If Fournettes career was my concern I'd root for him to go to the Chiefs or Vikings.

But we'd have to REALLY REALLY fuck up if Fournette wasn't a major improvement to our team over four years.

 

Read an interesting piece that had a quote from Gareon Conley's lawyer who said he contacted law enforcement before they did about the report in addition to saying the claims are ridiculous. Take it for what it's worth.

 

Which is entirely possible.

 

I know people are all about taking RBs high again after Zeke helped the Cowboys last year, but I still think it's a bad draft strategy. Will be pissed if 49ers go RB at 2.

 

Yeah the Cowboys was definitely a unique situation, I don't think Zeke would've gone that high if it wasn't Dallas picking.

 

I like Fournette and think he'll have a solid career but taking a guy like that in the top 5 is insanity to me

He has no open field elusiveness, isn't a good blocker or pass catcher