2017 NFL Draft Thread [Archived] Football • Page 33

Rumor is trading for Bears pick

 

This is completely wrong. Jags are not taking Adams. They are taking Fournette or Solomon Thomas. Panthers would trade above us. We'd have to trade with SanFran.

GIVE THEM BORTLES.

 

Exactly what I think too.

 

Let's maybe stop pretending the browns are smart now though, I'm not completely sold yet.

 

lol if Adams isnt possible then how is Solomon Thomas? idg you sometimes

 

We signed Barry Church to a five year deal. Abry Jones is a rotational piece. Also, the Jags FO reportedly loves Thomas. Fowler/Malick/Thomas/Calais with Yannick and Abry in rotation plus the fact that you can switch Calais and Thomas depending on a passing or running situation. We'd have by far the most versatile line in football. Which is their justification. I'd rather trade down for a guy like Howard or Foster if Fournette is gone.

 

Trading up for Mitch Trubisky is smart?

 

I find Foster overrated. He doesn't deserve to go as high as Mosley did.

I really don't want a tight end. They are cool on other teams, they are cool to have a good one in fantasy... the Jags don't use them right though.

I was just saying Thomas is a harder "get" than Adams so a lot less likely if we traded down. I love Yannick Ngakoue tbh and Campbell is as good as it gets if you want a "big" end on the other side so I'm lukewarm on the idea of stocking another pass rusher. I'd rather pay all my bills and spread it around, than be 6 months ahead on electric and behind on everything else.

Barry Church is a fringe-level starter and we paid him like one. He in no way prevents us from grooming another long term option on a rookie contract to replace him in a few years.

 

Why?

 

Not great at shedding blocks, does more guesswork than reading in coverage... not that he isn't a good college linebacker but I don't necessarily envision him as a true team captain MIKE in the NFL. I think his stock is puffed up a bit from playing behind a better-than-ever Alabama line and he doesn't actually have that Kuechly/Bowman-esque instinct that Mosley had coming out of Alabama a few years ago.

We're talking about top 8-10 picks here. He's just not my favorite of the guys who are projected that high.

 

Foster is very good. And also, draft stock from year to year is irrelevant and not an indicator of skill in any way. No team actually goes "well X went 10th so we can't take Y 8th."

If they use them right, Howard will be very very good. Either way, Howard is spectacular.

[QUOTR]I was just saying Thomas is a harder "get" than Adams so a lot less likely if we traded down. I love Yannick Ngakoue tbh and Campbell is as good as it gets if you want a "big" end on the other side so I'm lukewarm on the idea of stocking another pass rusher. I'd rather pay all my bills and spread it around, than be 6 months ahead on electric and behind on everything else.[/QUOTE]

Well we wouldn't be trading down for Thomas, first of all. Secondly, Adams is just as hard. Both are consistently projected top three picks right now. Most people have Thomas and Adams immediately after Garrett.

Yes he absolutely does. You don't sign a safety to a long term contract to replace him a month later. It's not happening.

 

Neither was CJ Mosley. Foster is a better prospect. What is a "true team captain Mike?" in your opinion? He was the leader of that team. There's very little doubt about it.

If the stuff hadn't happened at the hospital (completely his fault), he'd be considered a Top 3 pick right now. He is one of the best LB prospects in a very long time. The DL may have helped him stay clean, but he has absolutely elite box speed and explosion for a linebacker. His stock isn't inflated at all. It's down.

 

Foster plays like Keuchly imo

 

I don't think Foster is above that threshold of talent where I'd want him in the top 15 is what I'm saying. I'm only comparing him to Mosley cause they went to the same school. Using it more as a frame of reference than anything.

son you know i dont give a fuck about projections.... Leonard Williams slipped to 6 and Jalen Ramsey slipped to 5 while people are trading up for quarterbacks like Carson Wentz. Fuck projections.

The signing makes it a lot less likely for sure.... but I think Malik Hooker and Jamal Adams are better than Barry Church. Rare scenario where you can get that long-term name at safety and be sure it's the right choice. Just because you protected yourself with a contingency plan, doesn't mean you cant revisit better options at that position if Fournette is gone. We are still far from "broke".

Realistically if we did that we'd groom them on the bench until Church OR Gipson earned their guaranteed money, as you know in the NFL we are not actually bound to them the full 4 years. Both are cuttable after 2. We could just have a ballhawk safety learning to reign himself in and play disciplined while we work with Gipson/Church and then whichever safety is more expendable at that point gets replaced once he's truly ready (which is way better than like, throwing Jonathan Cyprien into the flames year 1 and hoping he catches on)

 

I agree. They are very similar.

 

Someone who can do it all. Foster isn't a swiss army knife. Very good tackle go-getter. I don't draft that kind of LB in the top 10 though. You can find undrafted dudes who are great at that.

 

Where's the film on Foster being great in coverage? I haven't seen that when I"ve watched him. I value that a lot. Stopping the pass in the NFL is hard and requires specific kinds of thinking and intelligence that aren't easy to find in the draft. So i really value that when taking a defensive player that early.

 

No the hell you cannot find an undrafted player that can play like Reuben Foster.

 

When the Jaguars draft Reuben Foster, it will be interesting to see him go from undrafted to the next Ray Lewis overnight in the eyes of Randall.

I eagerly await his transformation.

 

I like him about as much as Lawrence Timmons. Lawrence Timmons, drafted at pick 15, with good coaching and a perfect environment during his first few years, became an above average but not Pro Bowl MLB, who only really developed nuances of coverage and block shedding technique later in his career (after the rest of the Steelers defense had deteriorated.)

I can't even remotely understand how you guys are comparing him to Kuechly. I'd take a Kuechly-esque LB first overall.

 

No, I meant trying to fake interest so they trade down so someone else can take him lol

 

I'm whatever on foster. I think he's good and the top lb by far.

 

No one is saying he's Keuchly right now. But he shows a lot of things that Luke showed coming out of college. The way he covers sideline to sideline so quickly is why I see the Keuchly comparison.

And Luke didn't develop his pass coverage abilities until a couple years into his career. You aren't going to get a finished product in the draft.

 

It's not about a finished product, I just like to see signs that they're catching on and learning how to anticipate the pass. I think if you don't see that early its a lot less likely you'll see it later.

There's so many variables in the passing game and a college coach doesn't have time to prepare his run-stopping LBs for all of them. He's not sending his LB's to extra film study meetings in the DB room. A linebacker kind of has to teach themselves that kind of pattern recognition, through the experience of repeated exposure to pass plays in games... just as much as a coach teaches them in the film room, because it's not something college coaches FOCUS on (even though LBs who can cover are suddenly WAY important in the NFL.)

So I like to see something on film that shows they're actually adapting to passing concepts, and trying to memorize and recognize route patterns, rather than just playing the run, and trying really hard not to make a mistake if it's not a running play. Rueben Foster always looks confused and indecisive when he has to drop back. The minute it's not a running play he waits and wobbles around instead of being headstrong in his assignment. I just see him as the guy defensive coaches are always trying to teach coverage and are always disappointed because he just doesn't have that same skill of pattern recognition.

Kuechly absolutely was noted for his coverage abilities and fluid backpedal coming out of the draft. As was Mosley. And Patrick Willis. And Navorro Bowman. These are the kind of backers I'd draft top 10. I don't put Foster in that group.

 

Even Kuechly went at pick 9. It's hard to justify a non-pass rushing linebacker in the top 10 unless he's a wizard in coverage.