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The best response to the situation is obstruction.

 

I don't know. I come back to the O'Neill's famous line: all politics is local. One third of the seats in NC's state legislature were just ran uncontested. We've separated ourselves into little bubbles. The Democrats on these coasts — what good am I in Oregon, for example? I can fix local stuff, but does that matter all that much? I dunno. I'm still going through so much in my head.

 

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The problem is not a lot of people are charismatic and the reason "once in a generation" is a term, is because it's fitting. The public servant obsessed with wonkish policy wanting to help others ... not so much.

 

Not sure there's much NC can do. Dems picked up a seat on the State Supreme Court, but the governorship is within 4,000 votes so until provisionals are counted its up in the air. Not to mention both chambers are solid R

 

Stop nominating the worst most unrelatable candidates would be a good start. Bernie resonated with the crowd that took down hillary and it came largely due to economics and not social issues.

 

Helping trump is not making the best of the situation. How could you even think that?

 

It occurs to me that the establishment that gambled with fascism to listen to the people that are going to directly effected by Trump's legislation. That involves obstruction.

 

The youth vote will be important, but I caution against it for exactly the same thing that happened with Kerry. So many people were "Fuck Bush!" and were on board with Kerry, and then, bam. The dream left candidate has a very, very hard map right now. The center left candidate has a fucking hard map right now. And anyone will have a hard map if people don't vote.

Not feeling super positive atm.

 

man. earnest's face. just pure disgust.

 

I agree. But if the answer relies on "nominate on personalities" — then we're fucked in a totally different way — and it belays my fear about mid-terms and local elections which also matter. Maybe that's part of the solution, but it also compounds it and goes back to my thoughts on how one side is going to vote and will grind it out, and the other waits/needs the perfect storm.

 

Me neither.

 

Yap.

 

Don't worry, the Democrats will fuck up the rebuild so badly.

 

I get where you're coming from but I'm concerned that this would just lead to more lost seats and a GOP supermajority in both houses. We need to make some compromises over the next 2 years and hope to take back the senate, at the very least. Not on the big things, obviously, prevent the repeal of Obamacare if you can help it (please, I don't want to lose my health insurance), prevent immigration bans, we're not building the wall, but there are some things that we're just going to have to let go of. Don't vote FOR them obviously but you can't just filibuster everything into oblivion.

 

there will be no shortage of bad. i don't believe that you should obstruct whatever good can be done. use him to meet your goals where possible.

 

On the scale of Oilers to Blackhawks I think we'll end up around the Winnipeg area.

 

The only place I see that happening is rebuilding infrastructure and maybe campaign reform if he goes through with it. Otherwise? Don't see much good that can be done with his platform

 

Or hope for a Pittsburgh rebuild. Looking at top five worst into a SCF victory.

 

Obstruction of Trump could have happened at the ballot box. It should have happened at the ballot box. Now the government is tasked with trying to govern. Many of us vote for representatives that we expect to do just that - represent us - try and help their local constituencies and the broader good. They should say they want to try and work with Trump and the Republicans on the stuff they agree with, and they should stop the stuff they don't. But they just got their asses handed to them. They have very, very little power by with which to even do anything right now.

I'm old enough to remember when Dems didn't have power and tried to gum up the system and what happened. They got voted out in record waves in the mid-terms because Republicans vote in those and they gave their opponents the perfect campaign ads. There's no good answers here.

 

Winnipeg has a bright future. We are looking at a Vancouver timeline here.

 

I don't think it does, both Obama and bernie had personality and principle that Hillary just could not convey. bernie was much more than a personality. he understood the middle class demise, real or not. he saw the flaws in trade agreements like nafta and tpp and why that matters to the bulk of america. he was a jew calling Israel oppressive.

God fucking dammit.

 

We basically just said a lot of the same stuff, so — and on this specifically. I think the Republicans will try and kill it relatively quickly. That will show us how serious they are about killing Obamacare.

 

No I think we're at least past Vancouver, we've recognized that there is a problem and we're trying to figure out what to about it. Vancouver still thinks they're a top 6 forward away from a cup run