Underoath - Voyeurist (January 14, 2022) Album • Page 98

Just now getting around to listening to Voyeurist Digital Ghost and it seems to really elevate that album entirely.

 

Digital ghost is a lot louder and mixed to be a bit more raw. Which I think just makes it feel more chaotic and awesome

 

I tried to listen to Erase Me today. Chris goes hard but everything else just feels dull.

Voyuerist feels like they realized what they wanted to be

 

Classic "band comes back from hiatus and puts out a decent album but the follow up is much, much better".

 

Would love if this happens with armor for sleep

 

biggest one that sticks out to me is The Dangerous Summer self titled (which I forget exists) into Mother Nature.

 

Please don’t let the new album be a downer like Coming Home

 

Woof...

 

what the fuck

 

More so than a condemnation of Underoath, that's just a good glimpse at how youth groups kids acted back then. That verbiage and use of the slur, and the marriage/Bush stuff was a very prevalent mindset in the conservative south, particular among evangelicals.

 

Jesus

 

having grown up in these circles, i'm well aware. just hope they've grown as people since then.

 

I grew up in youth groups, but we absolutely did NOT use that slur even once ever, and we had opening queer kids in our youth groups.

I am also very aware that I grew up in a very progressive state and city, so my experience doesn't apply to youth groups at large.

 

yikesy

 

i gotcha. was definitely a big deal in the midwest/Missouri, unfortunately.

 

I coulda sworn this was posted like 5 years ago. Having deja vu.

Found it: Jan 3, 2020

I originally posted it, that's why I remember: Jan 3, 2020

 

Sounds identical to my experience at BYU years ago - it was just the norm for people to use that slur without any repercussions. No one would ever call it out as inappropriate behavior. I understand that those who haven’t been part of a tight knit culture where this kind of shit is typical will say “how could those assholes not know that’s wrong?” It’s because that church’s teachings suck and gay people weren’t free to come out and address how hurtful and wrong it is and didn’t have enough allies.

 

They address some of that stuff in the Where Are Your Boys Tonight book.

 

These are a few years old now, but they address the topic pretty well.

 

were none of you alive in 90s or early 2000s. honestly jealous of those of you who didn’t grow up where that language was completely normalized

 

yeah i remember the first time someone called me out for saying the f slur was when i was 17. and even then i was like okay just don’t say it around her. at that point it’d been in my vocabulary since i was at least 12 maybe earlier.

 

Yeah. This was very common in all my circles in middle and high school (graduated in ‘08.) No one was ever even called out for it, it was just commonplace. I can't even pinpoint when it stopped feeling okay to say nonchalantly, but I'm glad that it did and that everyone in my circle seemed equally ashamed that it was ever a thing. Same with using the term "gay" interchangeably with dumb/stupid/whatever. It was juvenile, immature, ignorant behavior.

What's more important to me is whether or not a person guilty of using that language in their formative years feels badly about it now and understands that it was insensitive and shitty even if it was the norm.

 

I was fortunate enough to grow up in a house/church that strayed from using any such derogatory words (at least at church or during dinner) because the people knew that it’s a gate into letting hatred bypass respect and compassion.

My junior high and high school, however…

All of the people I knew back then haven’t used that word (or any equivalent) since graduating. Once you get out of that weird peer bubble from high school, I think reflection really begins to set in on the words you use and why.

I really hope the members have dropped that, and most likely they have. On top of speaking out against more right-leaning ideology, we probably would have heard about any recent usages of the word

 

Thank you, what type of revisionist history is this? It was a different time, was it right? No, that’s why we don’t say stuff anymore. Clearly underoath are nowhere near the same people they were back then…