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Greg · Mar 17, 2023

SoCoWilderNeSs said:

If I were the one cursing and yelling at people to shut the F up you'd all be losing your minds but because you agree with this person's point of view on the subject you instead are patting this person on the back with likes and support even whilst they reveal themself to be pro-censorship.

I am pro censorship of incompetent dumb dumbs.

Former Planets · Mar 17, 2023

Sean Murphy · Mar 17, 2023

Bkraniger19 said:

I was expecting a solid rebuttal to this and we didn't get it. We just got people dropping F bombs and calling you a "dumb dumb". Sad...

lmao this user has 9 total posts on the site in 6 years and the first one is basically telling ppl to keep politics out of music. do you need to be told to shut the fuck up too?

Colby Searcy · Mar 17, 2023

I was thinking Virtue Signaling released something new today

Greg · Mar 17, 2023

Bkraniger19 said:

I was expecting a solid rebuttal to this and we didn't get it. We just got people dropping F bombs and calling you a "dumb dumb". Sad...

Shut the fuck up

SoCoWilderNeSs · Mar 17, 2023

Colby Searcy said:

I was thinking Virtue Signaling released something new today

This at least got a smirk out of me. I appreciate the creativity.

The other dude deep dove into my years of posts....if that isn't pinnacle cancel culture handbook 101 nothing is lmao.

Sean Murphy · Mar 17, 2023

lmfao

Greg · Mar 17, 2023

Bkraniger19 said:

Ah, yes! My post defending Taylor Swift. Love her! We are seeing her tomorrow night.

I usually just swing by this site on Friday's to check out the new tunes.

I have to say that this conversation regarding ATL did catch my attention. It's an important conversation and one that is much bigger than music.

One side of the argument has kept composed and mature and the other one.. well...

Saying you calmly spoke total nonsense is not the brag you think it is.

shea · Mar 17, 2023

Imagine spending 13+ hours defending a shitty pop punk band you admittedly don’t even like.

Greg · Mar 17, 2023

Bkraniger19 said:

have a wonderful weekend!

I will. But you gotta shut the fuck up.

Bkraniger19 · Mar 17, 2023

shea said:

Imagine spending 13+ hours defending a shitty pop punk band you admittedly don’t even like.

I agree with this! Mayday Parade has always been better than ATL. Is that a hot take?

Aaron Mook · Mar 17, 2023

Future tip to myself and others: You are not obligated to formulate any kind of serious response to weird middle-aged dudes foaming at the mouth to defend abusers. They're not here to change their minds, and you'll save yourself pages of back and forth that is simply not worth reading

Bkraniger19 · Mar 17, 2023

HelloThisIsDog said:

Careful. They’re touring with ATL so you might be opening up a whole new can of worms.

They should be headlining!

HelloThisIsDog · Mar 17, 2023

I think everyone here is awful and this is just the kind of trash tv that I love to watch

HelloThisIsDog · Mar 17, 2023

sowrongitsryan · Mar 17, 2023

JoshIsMediocre said:

not the point of this whole thing but I really hate when people call this website AP, like it's been 7 years, stop it

Look around bud. A rebrand hasn’t changed what this site is lol

JoshIsMediocre · Mar 17, 2023

sowrongitsryan said:

Look around bud. A rebrand hasn’t changed what this site is lol

You’re a huge dork and I’m gonna block you now

Greg · Mar 17, 2023

JoshIsMediocre said:

You’re a huge dork and I’m gonna block you now

At least their username is accurate. They are so wrong about so many things.

Sean Murphy · Mar 17, 2023

sowrongitsryan said:

Look around bud. A rebrand hasn’t changed what this site is lol

shut the fuck up

HelloThisIsDog · Mar 17, 2023

Of all the takes, that’s certainly the least controversial.

SoCoWilderNeSs · Mar 17, 2023

Aaron Mook said:

Future tip to myself and others: You are not obligated to formulate any kind of serious response to weird middle-aged dudes foaming at the mouth to defend abusers. They're not here to change their minds, and you'll save yourself pages of back and forth that is simply not worth reading

Translation - an entire group of people had absolutely zero logical insights to explain themselves other than broad platitudes, cheap insults and profanity when given the opportunity to explain their position with substance because they are conformist virtue signalers, so let's move the goal posts and make excuses for why we failed to find a single sensical thing to rebut with.

"Weird middle aged dudes foaming at the mouth to defend abusers."

So now my age is a problem too. Sheesh.

Aaron Mook · Mar 17, 2023

Enough

bobsheiskawy · Mar 17, 2023

Elder Lightning said:

I know I'm not going to convince you, and I'm going to gloss over the fact that you all but called ME an abuser because I don't think All Time Low should be given any benefit of the doubt, but I'm going to leave this here for anyone who might see your post as reasonable.

Let's assume that there are only two sides in a situation like this - the survivor and the accused - where the accused is at least moderately famous and, in a vacuum, each side is equally as likely to be telling the truth as they are to be lying.

One side, the survivor, has virtually nothing to gain and much to lose by lying. They will undoubtedly be skewered online, are likely to be doxxed even if they are anonymous, and have things like death threats and more lobbed at them if they are not anonymous.

The other side, the accused, has everything to gain by lying. They get to rely on the goodwill of the parasocial relationships they have with fans, and even those who are only aware of them but have no other reason to have ill will toward them. They also get to wield the power that is imbalanced in their favor to silence their victims in a system that is setup to benefit them.

This is all coupled with the fact that, in actual reality, false allegations of abuse are exceedingly rare.

And, in part because false allegations are exceedingly rare, I am not particularly concerned with what recourse the rich and powerful have to counter these supposed false claims. Maybe when survivors are able to achieve even a modicum of justice in these situations, maybe when the system isn't balanced at the outset in favor of the powerful abusers, maybe then I can start to care about that.

But the fact is that defamation lawsuits are a powerful tool used to silence victims and further entrench power in the already powerful (those powerful enough to commit abuse in the first place). They are used to uncover the identities of victims who (understandably) choose to remain anonymous. They are used by those with the resources to wield and maintain them to force the retraction of claims and silence others who may consider coming forward, but in each case do not have the resources to maintain a defense against them and/or do not want to be continually re-traumatized by having to recount and relive their abuse over and over - and be attacked for doing so, both under cross examination and in the public/online - in such a public fashion.

And to your point about photos and screenshots and "evidence". First, I don't know many survivors who have screenshots of the admissions of their abusers or pictures or other direct evidence of their abuse, and to demand that is just patently absurd. But do you know what the most prevalent form of evidence is in court? It's testimony - that is the statements of the parties to the case and any witnesses. So consider why it is that you are so willing to immediately throw out the evidence of one side - the inherently less-powerful survivor - and to accept at face value the testimony of the powerful abuser with everything to gain.

SoCoWilderNeSs said:

Translation - an entire group of people had absolutely zero logical insights to explain themselves other than broad platitudes, cheap insults and profanity when given the opportunity to explain their position with substance because they are conformist virtue signalers, so let's move the goal posts and make excuses for why we failed to find a single sensical thing to rebut with.

"Weird middle aged dudes foaming at the mouth to defend abusers."

So now my age is a problem too. Sheesh.

Sean Murphy said:

shut the fuck up man

grimis16 · Mar 18, 2023

SoCoWilderNeSs said:

I could have sworn I was told that not only did almost all of the accusers admit they lied but the band has sued to have the anonymous accusers identities uncovered so they can face their accusers in open court (which im sure is seen as more abuse and intimidation by the band to many). I also heard the remaining accusers claimed they had evidence but never shared anything. EDIT: Now I searched online and wasted too much time looking up this garbage and it seems that almost everything has been recanted. Reddit even seems to be oddly pro band on this issue when usually it skews highly in support of the accusers.

I don't even listen to this band but it's interesting that people blindly blackball and exercise Twitter rumor mob justice even in instances when things seem highly fake when Twitter itself is a giant cesspool of attention seeking fakes.

I know I'm going to get killed on here for this post because these boards tend to be so highly virtuous but...the rush to Twitter cancel everything has always been weird to me...often deserved I'm sure in many instances (Brand New etc) but odd nonetheless.

Welcome to the internet post-2018

slickdtc · Mar 18, 2023

A good day to be a heavy band. Sneaky good release day. The Bunny The Bear record is a certain brand of chaotic that just hit the spot today.

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