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I extremely disagree with your last paragraph. Raising arms against fascism is not fascism.

 

A lot of damage is going to be done just by him being validated with a victory, and if he makes it to inauguration he can undo a lot Obama policies day 1. I'm hoping no violent uprising occurs and im definitely not going to talk about starting one just to end up on a watchlist when I definitely wouldn't be involved anyway

What are you going to do if Clinton gets elected?

 

Of course any potential legal challenge would have to be based on the facts of election day, which have yet to occur. As it stands, I don't see any reason right now that would justify a legal challenge to his candidacy.

And I don't think Sec. Clinton's statement forecloses on using those options, should the need arise.

There is also the possibility of impeachment, which would again be based on facts that have not yet happened.

 

Watching the SC shooting news conference. Police chief (at least I think it was the police chief) was basically like "suspect is a white male therefore no terrorism is involved"...

 

so...the answer is just suffer through it.

there are also other possibilities of undermining his regime than an actual violent revolution, the question isnt "are you going to join a militia" its "are you going to do ANYTHING to undermine his regime" and that doesn't necessitate calling for violence or saying anything to get yourself on a watchlist

 

I assume any sort of action would have to be predicated on things he hasn't even done yet. Maybe the threat of a recall (how would that work?) or impeachment might be enough to stop him from some of the scarier parts of his platform.

 

This is true. In the UK, there's been a surge in anti-immigrant hate crime in areas that voted to leave the EU. The occurrence of hate crimes has actually tripled in some parts of Britain. People that voted to leave feel their racism has been validated. I can only imagine it will be even worse in America if Trump wins, since you guys have a lot more guns than we do.

 

I haven't heard of any mechanism for a recall for a Presidential election. As far as I know, recalls are creatures of state law.

 

To throw the discussion already posed earlier back around: if you believe Trump is a fascist, saying anything in a public forum with your real name, about what you would do to "undermine his regime" would be a very stupid move.

 

Apparently if you don't have a detailed, specific plan for what you as an individual will do to stop Trump if he gets elected then you accept fascism.

 

yeah but...what does that tell us? we're discussing a situation where Trump wins and whether we would take action to stop him from implementing his policies once that happens. Say that surge in hate crimes occurs in the US, what do we do? Do we say "well he's been elected, they've been validated, we're screwed, these crimes or just going to continue"? Or do we do something to stop it from getting worse, at any level beyond voting for democrats? Are people willing harbor illegal immigrants at risk of being attacked? Do people march in the streets, even if Trump sends out the national guard to stop them? Do people organize their neighborhoods and communities to make them a place where those types of crimes can't happen? Anything?

This is less about your post than the one you quoted but I didn't wanna go back a page

 

And, the real answer for many is: I'd rather elect Clinton and then work on the things I'd like to do to stop some of her policies/ improve them / change Congress. One step at a time.

 

So if this becomes a full on Nazi Germany situation do we work to hide people or try to fight the army?

 

Correct.

 

At risk of being rounded up? I suppose. I'm sure I'm already on that list though, personally.

 

Hmmm not remotely what was said

 

Neither candidate has the right temperament to shelter me from the storm.

 

(Pre-debate poll.)

 

Just to speak for myself: I mentioned Clinton because liberals say that Trump is the devil and will subject us to untold horrors. If Clinton says she accepts the election results, she accepts that. What does that say about her? If you just accept it, how is this trivializing the lives of the marginalized people they've seen fit to defend against Trump?

 

jfc

 

That's just bad logic. One can accept the 1s and 2s of the election results as being legit, and not on account of fraud, and also have those feelings about Trump. Accepting that the election wasn't rigged does not mean you accept the untold horrors.

 

So, like, we had a neo-nazi problem in Baltimore. They got the shit beaten out of them every time they were in public. After about a year or so, they disappeared, never to be heard from again.

 

The projection is amazing to watch.

 

uhhh continue to work to push both myself and my community towards more progressive, egalitarian politics and outcomes? i have lived my entire life under presidencies that have committed war crimes of one form or another, clinton is just the last eight years redux

i think there's more than one way to undermine someone in power, i didnt mean for it to sound as though the only option was violent revolution. i was just curious about how people would handle it.

i know this is the obvious answer and the likely outcome anyway, but i just thought it would be interesting to see what people thought would be the most effective route at stymieing his policies should he overcome the odds and emerge the president.

i wonder how it would go in a 2000 type situation if he did win the EC but not PV. would SCOTUS look to bush v gore? how does the (still) vacant seat effect that kind of situation?

how fast could legal challenges to mass deportations and immigration bans make their way to the SC? would democrats be able to block trump's SCOTUS nominee? would it even matter?

these are the kinds of things im thinking about, i was curious what people thought.