Accountability in Music • Page 612

This makes so much more sense now lol you guys just thread bombing “Skiba is a Nazi” or whatever. Coordinated trolling off site. Kudos.

 

i'll let @Anthony_ know that every post he makes from here on out has to be centered on accountability and he can't make any non-serious post ever again.

 

once again, i'm not in the discord lol

 

lolling at the idea of "non-serious accountability posts." you're saying "oh that wasn't trolling, it was accountability, it was just a non-serious accountability post." i don't know why you would ever make a non serious post about an accountability issue if you personally take it seriously

 

I agree in the sense that I don't care what people listen to. If it helps get them through - it's fine. I don't necessarily want to hear about someone listening to Brand New or other problematic bands (not saying I don't do that because I participated in the Kanye thread), so I usually don't visit those threads.

People in here clearly have different perspectives on separating the art from the artist, which is why I feel commentary doesn't help in this particular thread. We know people that have been victimized by bands have visited here. I don't think they need to see that someone is still listening to said band or that they don't care what they did. They can at least know that those allegations are out in the open and that people know and hopefully have some sort of peace.

 

sorry that was confusing, what i was trying to say was that not every post ant makes on this site has to be one on accoutability and that he's allowed to make non serious posts like the imagine of MAGA kanye if he wants to and that him posting that isn't his attempt at trying to hold kanye accountable because the idea that ant as a user of this site can hold kanye accountable is ridiculous

 

As someone who doesn't post in here all that frequently but checks in when I see there's been new posts, can y'all take this passive aggressive shit somewhere else? I use this thread to educate myself and keep myself informed on which artists have done what, and these last several pages have been a nightmare.

 

Wild how I have not been participating in really any of these kinds of discussions for the past month, since August 6 in the Donda thread, and yet when I try to get a real conversation going about improving this thread it just devolves into personal attacks on me.

 

I know I said I support the idea of being upfront about when some specific person is doing something you think is wrong and all, but I meant for that to be in a much more constructive, less combative, less personal way than what seems to be going on here. More like a “hey you just posted this thing that I have an issue with and I don’t want to assume the worst but I feel I should speak up about it,” as opposed to what often happens, which is someone will post something that others take issue with, and instead of actually explaining why they have an issue with it, they tend to be more obviously derisive and dismissive from the jump

Whereas if you’ve got something more on par with a long-term beef with someone then please address that somewhere private because I really don’t think any of us are interested

 

its not his attempt to hold kanye accountable, its also not just a funny post, its an obviously passive aggressive post that culminated in several more passive aggressive posts, that I've asked twice now what possible positive outcome could be expected from posting like that other than feeling good about starting a fight, and gotten no answer

Unfortunately, an individual's past behavior does influence how people view them and take their words in the present, even if it was over a month past. I hope you can take that in stride

 

Like what is happening in here?

 

The purpose of those posts, for what it's worth, was to re-center the conversation on what I personally thought was more important than the quality of Kanye's music. People can disagree with that, that's fine. It was absolutely an aggressive way to go about it, but that's why I did it.

In any event, I was outnumbered, I apologized, and left the thread. I've been trying to make a conscious effort not to start fights on here ever since. And today was originally all about trying to further prevent fights like this from happening again. So I appreciate the snark, always appreciate some good snark, but that's the truth of it.

 

Let’s just all take the rest of the day to not post in here. It’s getting too heated

 

Please excuse the longer post. I was going to type it out and delete it so I could get it out of my brain. But I like you cats. I think it's easy to forget why almost everyone came into this thread in the first place the first time.

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I think these last pile of pages - and intermittent portions of the entire thread - are a really great examination of human behavior and psyche. It's a perfect display of the "no one's the bad guy in their own story" phenomenon. When, really, we're all the bad guy sometimes. It's human nature.

A whole lot of people saying someone else in this thread is the problem. When - at this moment - we're on an internet forum typing our things and reading others' things and disagreeing with those things and feeling justified in our things and trying to hurt others in here because their things aren't as good as our things. And so is everyone else in the thread.

How are we going to hold anyone accountable if we can't even personally hold our personal selves accountable? As above, so below.

The actual REAL, BIG problem is off somewhere else not really caring about what's happening in here. All the fighting and blaming and anger and defending and passive/aggressiveness and pointedness and mean-spiritedness and targeting in here doesn't make any headway on the real, big problem: the fact that our music scene and the entire experience of music in general has been unsafe, unwelcoming, and non-inclusive for so long that abusive people aren't being held accountable or seeing repercussions for their abusiveness and the suffering they create.

If we're serious about holding artists accountable then we all individually need to be serious about holding our personal selves accountable for how we're losing sight of the goal and instead in-fighting and reducing our effectiveness. We each individually get to decide what this thread is. Do we want it to be a gossip column or do we want it to be a tool for creating a safer, more inclusive, more welcoming music scene? Each sentence we type shapes that.

I'm about to sound like an old person but I'm OK with that. I'm reminded of Sinead O'Connor and maybe the first impactful protest moment I saw happen in real time: "Fight the real enemy."

 

If this is supposed to be a response to my post then I really don’t know what to make of it.

 

No not you haha

 

don't know i didn't make the post and I didn't go in the thread until i went to look at what jake was talking about. but does every post some makes on here have to have a possible positive outcome? are people not allowed to post in artist threads for those that have done and continue to do awful things? if someone has the willpower to ignore kanye's MAGA and DaBaby bullshit to listen to and enjoy his album then I think it's a safe assumption they can ignore a few posts on a message board

 

I don’t think anyone in that thread was ignoring Kanye’s MAGA and DaBaby stuff? I can’t speak for everyone but I feel like a lot of folks are aware of those things and able to process them while listening to the album. Plus when he brought DaBaby out people immediately posted their disappointment in the thread.

 

Honestly, I sadistically enjoy this shit. Watching known echo chambers implode under their own redundant weight gives me a filthy happiness I have no right to but it’s there all the same.

Since I’m certain half of you have me blocked and the other half don’t give a shit anyways, here are some notes:

- a lot of you folks cannot, cannot, CANNOT resist sharing your opinion, and it’s draining on you and those around you. Even in the past few pages alone there are a handful of users who’ve posted upwards of 10 times with absolutely nothing to add, because you CANNOT allow others to have an opinion without somehow parachuting in with your own. Give consideration to this, if only for your own health.

- I’ve been silenced and snapped at and condescended to more in this thread than anywhere else on the entire internet. Presumably everyone here is an adult, in which case the idea of a safe space is already laughable to me, like the world is here to console you somehow, so I certainly am not making this about any irrelevant feelings I might have - but in the event that you want a place where your opinions feel at least respected enough to be thought about, you have to offer others the same courtesy. Not out of preservation for anyone’s feelings, but solely because you expect the same. It does not happen that way here.

- if what the majority of regular posters here want simply IS an echo chamber in which to have their already decided feelings reinforced and supported, then make the thread private and invite-only. It serves no purpose to the average poster looking for a logical explanation on anything, because logic isn’t welcome here nearly as much as feelings are, and when everything revolves around feelings, you get the last 10 pages of shite

Sincere good luck to all who want to use this thread and learn from it, that time is long gone for me

 

And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?

 

right and if they're able to do that then I'm sure they can also look at and ignore a post online they don't like as well is what i'm saying. people don't have to respond to every single post y'all can just ignore them or block the user. and they did ignore ant and he dipped out which was his original point of the Donda thread sorting itself out on what kind of conversation the users wanted to happen in that thread

 

I had a dentist appt (which was 100% more pleasurable than being in here) and cooled off a bit and read posts and agree that personal drama and shit is not helpful in here, so I apologize for not bringing it up in a more productive way. I’ve been frustrated with a lot of things on this site for a long time and feel that the discussion in here was all leading to that point, but it’s also completely irrelevant to many people who don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about.

Idk what to do with the thread or the site aside from my “don’t be a dickhead” advice, so we can lock this bad boy up if you want.

 

I’ll probably just hide the thread. If anyone has any genuine accountability issues, please post them in the appropriate artist thread if there is one.

 

Idunno I had more to type but seems like it'd be better not to. I got out what bothers me about the recent iterations of these discussions. I was trying to participate without contributing to it being personal nonsense but I'm starting to think there isn't a separable non-personal aspect of this issue, so whatever. By about 2017 I was trying not to have personal arguments on here outside of the politics thread and I guess most of the ongoing stuff relating to this thread is personal so sorry for contributing to that! Goodbye

 

I still say keep this open because it can still be a good resource for people who don’t have Twitter or spend time on social media or in music circles. I’m still glad to post anything I come across.

On similar note, this site needs a thread to work out this personal stuff. Some of this seems like real passive aggressive shit from the AP days. Also, anyone that gets joy out of people fighting on here is a fucking weirdo. What the hell.