Accountability in Music • Page 610

Right, which is why I propose just making this news-only so it addresses the problem in this particular thread and hopefully we can deal with how people address each other in the forum at-large. For the most part, the discussion was just about this thread in particular, which is what I'm focused on.

 

This is what’s not productive. Literal constant discourse over the same shit over and over again. I truly don’t understand why everyone can’t just shut the fuck up and leave this thread for it’s intended purpose without the constant commenting that we are all in agreement does not go anywhere. At this point, it feels a little embarrassing people can’t just agree to not commentate on every little thing and instead suggesting to just completely close the thread.

 

The bottom line is that it gets super messy when people just have beef or want to be mean or petty and then they hide behind the "Who? Me? I'm acting in the name of accountability!" schtick. 99% of the people on this site are on the same page. 99% of the continuing problems on here are because of this dumbass infighting, and it never gets resolved because we never get to the root: some people just don't like each other and want to dunk, and then their online friends jump in.

You can be railing against abusers and standing up for the "right" side and still be alienating survivors and other people on your side because you're...acting like a dickhead lol. Now that it's out in the open, I find it super frustrating to watch these discussions take place and to know that there's a private community somewhere shit talking and only jumping in to make a joke or to defend the person rightfully* being called out. Even if I'm agreeing with the person in question it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to see it happening over and over.


EDIT:
*I should walk back rightfully, sometimes the people calling them out are pieces of shit who don't want to have a discussion about accountability.

 

Got it, looks like we made the decision to keep the thread exactly how it is. It was great having another potentially good discussion veer into drudging up actions from a year ago or more and whining about a discord server that a group of friends created that has done some not so great things in the past. The shade throwing and passive aggressiveness really helped end the conversation on a high note. See you all again in 3 months, great work all around.

 

Really don’t think that’s necessary. We’re having the conversation at least.

 

Who the fuck cares about this thread lol, this is about the site as a whole and the toxicity that pervades it. The weird little discord clique is only a part of the problem.

 

naw, conversations basically over at this point. once the conversation starts getting passive aggressive and subtweeting users or vaguely referencing things that happened a year ago or more it just spirals from there and we're not gonna revist the actual "what can we do to make this thread better" discussion until this happens again in a few months. been that way for 5 years and half the participants in this thread aren't interested in considering ways to change that.

 

A lot of people on this website have been on this website for like a decade and have so much history and drama and bullshit that it's basically impenetrable. LIke I've been posting here/AP since I was 15 and I still feel like there's so much dumb clique behavior that ends up being a massive force of conflict that is rarely if ever talked about.

 

Why do you keep saying "happened years ago" or whatever? Does the discord still exist? I assume this thread is being talked about in there if it does. Therefore, it still happens. I'm sure I can go back and find an example in the past month if I really tried.

 

First of all, we're literally still having that conversation, and second of all, the irony of getting mad at "shade throwing and passive-aggressiveness" towards a group of users whose whole-ass MO has been shade throwing and passive-aggressiveness...come on

 

It's not worth denying, I did the same shit when I was more online back in the day. There were tinychats and facebook groups and places where we'd shit on users we don't like. It wasn't right but it happened/happens still.

The bigger problem is that this specific group focuses a ton on threads dealing with issues of accountability, therefore linking the dunking/petty internet beef with real life trauma and grief and baggage and everything that goes along with these discussions, and I don't find that appropriate.

 

The only thing i’ve ever taken from this thread is people get very angry/passive aggressive towards those that won’t sway to their opinion.

 

I’ve been on here for more than a decade and honestly, I have no idea what any of this is about. I imagine others have to feel the same way.

This is why I feel like discussion in this thread does not work. If people are looking for bands that are problematic or need to be held accountable, they have to get through all this personal stuff built into the site. Once again, making it just the stuff that needs accountability or problematic behavior that needs addressed cuts right to the quick and casuals don’t have to put up with subtweets and vagueposts. That personal shit needs to be addressed, but in a different forum.

 

I agree with this, I just find it unfortunate that closing the thread would cause people to either not have a space to parse out their feelings or force them into the artist/album threads which tend to be...also bad

 

Don’t close the thread

 

Kind of feel like if you're on the side of "who cares about this shitty thing that someone did a year ago," I'm generally not gonna trust that your takes on artist accountability are coming from a great place

 

I was conflicted about it, but I really, truly don’t see any other way if this thread stays open. People don’t know how to act. Maybe give it news-only a trial run and open up the floor after awhile. Otherwise, I don’t see anything changing.

 

Yeah idk. I don't see anything changing in general haha. Like I said, when you couple weird internet drama and accountability it creates..this

I do not think the thread should close, though. It's a good resource for searching for past allegations/discussions and closing it would only cause it to get lost in the forum/not easily accessible.

 

Because it literally happened years ago with the Teebs shit. Or maybe it happened in 202 idk it's been fucking 4 years since March 2020, but you're literally dragging up stuff from year(s) ago in a discussion on "how can we make this thread better" as some counter to people as if they can't offer suggestsions to fixing things when they were/are part of an unrelated issue from the past. That's what im getting at!

Also who gives a fucking shit about a discord? I don't even know if it's active or not, I'm not in it. I cannot imagine something as trivial as a discord where friends interact as a counter to people having discussions on making the thread a better place. People don't like some people! They're allowed to air that in a private setting if they want. That's not a counter to the discussion that was being had about improving the thread.

Yes, we're still having the conversation but when it is clearly going to head in the exact same diretion is always does, it's effectively over. Not sure what the second part of your post is supposed to mean I'm pretty sure everyone that's in this "group of users" makes it pretty obvious when they post on who they have an issue with or what post they have an issue with lol. Also, what happened to your whole post in the exact same conversation from my quoted post earlier about making this a better place for discussion to be had? How does your post achieve that goal of yours from 3 months ago?

Or maybe the group of users all bond over a shared interest in music like and therefor are all looking at the same threads and participating in the same discussion and it's not because they want to stir shit but because they actually want to contribute to the conversation. Sometimes it turns into a dogpile sure, but saying "did you see so-and-so's post in the X thread? yikes" in a discord is not a call to arms lol.

I'm saying that the conversation being had was based around suggestions to improve this threads place on the site and that veering off into drudging up the past as a dig at users trying to participate in the discussion is not useful. But you don't have to trust my takes on accoutability because my takes don't matter and I never implied they do or that I have any authority on the matter so not sure what you were trying to say with that last sentence but thank you!

 

The fact there was or is a discord shit talking other users is laugh out loud funny to me.

 

People can get mad at me, but bringing up a discord that has upwards of 60 people all of who are from this site (some of who that are no longer on this site because they were either pushed off or chose to leave) that is PRIMARILY used to stay in contact and discuss day to day life, music, movies and video games is..strange to me.

 

"the issue with this thread is that there's so much drama and baggage from a group of users that it makes this a toxic thread. anyway while you all are discussing how to improve this thread let me bring up that drama and baggage"

 

I dont know or care what goes on in there lol, I know that people have come on this site and explicitly said “hey theres a discord where people shit talk and link to threads where drama is happening”. What else am I supposed to take from that kind of post?

 

Is this the same discord where users were screenshotting the thread of people trying to have Zoom hangouts in peak covid ripping on them for trying to be social/talk music? Cause I know about that discord.

 

Aliens literally confirmed it a page ago? Why are we denying it happens? It’s happening in here…right now?