General Politics Discussion VIII [ARCHIVED] • Page 904

Everyone who took those loans knows it was a bad decision. The thing is they should have never been allowed to make that decision because education shouldn’t be a predatory industry.

 

Us Government like:

Drinking at 18? You're not a grown up!

$90,000 in debt at 18? Well you want to be a grown up right?

 

I agree with everything you said. However 'I blindly signed a loan to go to school for 4 years to experience college and just get a piece of paper at the end of with any degree in it, with career path or no plan to pay it back', is not the same thing. That's my only point. I agree that EVEN for that person, it shouldn't be a life sentence of debt, and the system is screwed, but someone like that arguing for student loan forgiveness just rubs me the wrong way. There are plenty of people like that who aren't even aware of how much other people are suffering, or how they got there, they just want their bad decision erased.

 

charging tuition from state funded universities to get an education that is required to move forward professionally in the 2020 landscape is also a “bad decision”

i’ll admit it when they do

 

Seems like some people haven’t heard of undue influence

 

Cancel all student debt, and make public university free going forward, end of story. If we can spend $600 billion every year on our military, we can pay to make college free

 

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I went to a state school, lived at home freshman year, never lived in a dorm, had a scholarship that cut my tuition in half, worked full time every summer and part time during five of my eight semesters. I graduated with $36,000 in debt and still have $17,000 to pay off ($11,000 in federal loans, $6,000 in private). I got no grants but about 2/3 of my federal loans were subsidized, so the interest rate is 3.2%

I don't even have that much compared to a lot of people and I took a lot of preemptive steps to pay it off (instead of saving money, I paid off some of the interest as it accrued when I was in college) and it would still massively help me to forgive the federal loans. I could put all my efforts into paying down the private loan and then would probably be able to buy a house within a year or two

 

yeah, if you wanna talk bad decisions, the F-35 is right there

 

glad that guy's friends magically picked the right degree and career path that guarantees them a job where they make above a living wage but I'm different, every job on Indeed is like Master's, must speak Mandarin.10 years experience TikTok, $30k a year

 

uuu outflanking someone from the left...

 

Not to mention how many pilots were killed testing that. Guy from my hometown is on that list. The military wanted to say it was pilot error and not the planes fault. His parents had to go through so many hoops to get that declaration changed. That plane is fucking disgusting on so many levels.

 

Just Romney Guy things.

 

Wait, so, is the whole point @Helloelloallo wants to make just... the “model victim” excuse used in police brutality & sexual assault, applied to student debt?

“Yeah, I’m totally on your side! It’s a predatory system that needs addressed! The REAL examples deserve justice! But... I dunno about THIS example.”

Like... come on. If you genuinely do believe this problem exists, you should be able to take a step back, reassess, & see the problem with that thought process.

 

I think there's this really twisted version of personal responsibility where suffering is deserved due to someone's bad choices. It comes up in discussions about student debt like this, when I think you've already been convinced that the real problem is systematic and above the minutia of who deserves this weight on their neck and who was duped.

It also comes up in conversations about ending homelessness, and giving aid to people living through generational poverty, even food stamps and aid to people addicted to drugs. There's a common heuristic in play here, which is part of human nature and easy to fall into, but no less obsolete. Something in our brains says that if someone is hurting they must have done it to themselves, some action they have taken, some choice they made led them here, and they DESERVE the suffering they're experiencing.

I've thought it before, and I probably will again, it makes things much easier. Its an idea that has to actively be fought against. If I've learned anything over the past I don't know, ten years of being an "adult", its that things are always more complicated. People maybe made the bad decision to go to school with no plan, maybe they made poor choices and ended up homeless, or got hooked on painkillers because the ads looked good and they didn't think it'd be that bad. But there's always more to it than that, under the surface. There are always other forces at play, and they lead people down bad paths, rob them of their money, their dignity, their life, and then blame that person. I didn't take advantage of anyone, they DESERVE this.

Its never a simple solution, when someone is suffering someone is gaining at their expense. There are massive systems in place both to ensure that these problems continue to exist and that they don't get fixed, because someone is benefiting. No one deserves a massive weight of debt around their neck, even if they made a bad decision the loans themselves are predatory and should not exist. No one deserves to be homeless, even if they made a bad decision they are a human being and deserve the basic chance to live. No one deserves to be addicted and struggling, there's no decision to be made to justify that kind of pain and suffering.

We're not in some kind of dog eat dog world where people suffering is ever ok, we always have the ability to end that suffering and the continued choices made to ignore it and blame those suffering is a lie justified again and again to preserve a status quo that hurts some and benefits others.

 

ANYTIME someone starts arguing with me on funding social issues this is always my #1 go to.

Or this:
Congress Again Buys Abrams Tanks the Army Doesn't Want

 

troubling times

 

good decision i guess

 

I’d say “you love to see it,” but I don’t see uuu posts anymore.

 

I will say framing it in this way is interesting as I have never felt like an addict or a homeless person did anything wrong (even if they made countless bad decisions), to get where they are, and have always argued against people who want to conduct drug tests for benefits or are against treatment for addicts. I'm not quite sure it's a fully apt comparison to the issue I brought up, but it's certainly something I'll mull over. I know where I am in regards to this forum, and I know the 'conservative' buzz phrases and words that annoy the hell out of ya'll (like personal responsibility) and I generally agree with, and respect the majority of long time posters in here. Lets just say I waded into waters I knew I shouldn't have. I'm not in anyone's way with regards to voting, so if there was ever a chance for meaningful reform, I'll be your ally (like voting democratic in the GA senate runoffs - not that that specifically has to do with the student loan issue).

 

I give it til 3 pm before mouthwash is impossible to find in stores.

 

Have to grocery shop soon. Will report back. Haha.

 

When I graduate I’ll probably end up with about $40-50k in debt. My school is costing me about $28,000 a year I think after grants and scholarships. My parents have been helping pay each semester so I don’t have too much in debt. I think usually we are able to pay off the tuition but take loans out for the room and board costs. So I’m lucky that my parents are helping a good deal in paying for it and I’m not all on my own drowning in debt after I graduate.

My roommate always tells me he is gonna be well over 100k in debt, and his mentality is that he’s gonna be making a lot of money when he gets a job so it doesn’t matter to him. Thats probably not a good mentality to have lol.

 

Whole lot of arguing over the “politics” of something already supported by the masses and already popular and good economics for the country. If your hill to die on is others should not get something you can’t have, uh ..