General Politics Discussion VII [ARCHIVED] • Page 1735

it’s good praxis

 

Trump’s 100% going to pardon that kid if he gets re-elected.

 

These issues have been going on for centuries now. BLM is almost a decade old. Idk how many people you think are out there to be agitated on it who aren’t there, but i kinda think we have who we have and we need to figure out how to fight with that amount of people. It’s not an insignificant number. But “peaceful protests” haven’t achieved shit around BLM either. There has to be a threat against the establishment to actually get movement on these issues. That threat will always be deemed too radical or too violent by the people you’re fighting against.

 

If @extremesportist is still here & even half sincere, here’s some stray thoughts to consider.

One, I don’t know the full context of that alleged Rosa Parks quote, but I’m gonna guess it’s similar to MLK’s famous “I Had a Dream” speech, where he talks about people not being judged by their skin color.

The point isn’t that ignoring skin color will magically make systematic injustices & prejudices go away; the point is that actively dismantling racist structures is a way of creating that aspirational non racist environment.

Two, “black lives matter” is saying that all lives matter. This is related to the first point, in that (as a lot of people like to say) all lives can’t matter until black lives matter (otherwise, the “all” will have an exception).

And three, it is possible to grapple with what role violence vs nonviolence should play for your own activism, both on a practical strategic level & as far as your own personal convictions go. But, there’s a difference between that & concern-trolling from the outside to maintain your own comfortable status quo.

Like, let’s go back to MLK again. He was a massively influential revolutionary who was thoroughly convinced of the value of nonviolence. He also actively criticized white moderates as being potentially worse than blatant racists, while defending violent activists from their critiques. And, his brand of nonviolence was still active enough, challenging enough, sharp enough, against white supremacy, imperialism, & capitalism to get him assassinated.

(Which, there are people with that same philosophy out in the streets with BLM today, who are being lumped in with the violence & attacked in bad faith, & also literally attacked by the police & white supremacists. Just like MLK & his peers were.)

 

I can't imagine what it must be like to be a white American. The Crux of their behavior, to me at least, lies in the mentality of the embarrassed millionaire. so if you mimic and protect the billionaire you may some day attain that status. And then when a movement like BLM comes up, you feel personally attacked and your chance of becoming that millionaire is the fault of POCs.

I sort of see this more overtly in recent European immigrants who adopt right wing political views.

 

How do people who spend their entire lives immersed in politics have the memory of a cat

 

Unfortunately I think in the population at large it's kind of gone the opposite direction. Back in May/June it seemed pretty well understood but now people are starting to get fatigue with it. Doesn't help that the right wing media bubble just keeps pushing this stuff out hourly.

 

these people (most people) that are saying “this isn’t the way you protest“ just need to be ignored. They aren’t part of the solution and the likelihood is high that they never will be.

kneeling wasn’t the way, vigils aren’t the way, boycotting isn’t the way, athletes deciding not to play isn’t the way, peaceful protests aren’t the way.

no matter what form of protest people take, it isn’t the way to solve this according to most people. So long as there is a tiny bit of discomfort involved, it’s not the way.

so honestly, fuck those people and full steam ahead. They never wanted to be part of the solution anyways.

 

Damn this thread got an early start this morning huh lmao

I cannot believe I had to read the sentence "Is BLM going too far???"

 

I believe it read, "to far."

 

As soon as the “violent protests” stopped back in June, corporations coopted Black Lives Matter in commercials, news organizations stopped covering the massive protests that were still happening, and nothing was done.

 

I know I shouldn’t be shocked, but people on social media defending a murderer is something I really didn’t expect to see.

 

Get that + money while you still can folks

 

Sucks that it was Chick-fil-a but here's one cute thing that happened in the world

Golden retriever does Chick-fil-A curbside pickup

 

A growing constituency on the right wants the annihilation of the left, which they conceive of as anyone not a Trump supporter at this point. Not to get them out of office, not to win an ideological battle, but actually wants them dead in their graves. So yeah, they’re going to defend the people who go out to achieve that goal. I don’t see how you put the lid back on the Q types, which isn’t just some funny whacky hobby for stupid people but is actually a justification for putting down political opponents through violence. When you consider that it’s popular with young conservatives too, this is what we’re going to be dealing with the rest of our lives: the death cult part of conservative America becoming proactive. So far, the left has no plan - or even an inkling that they need to develop a plan - to combat this.

 

Pin this post please.

 

As much as I wish I were surprised, I’m not. People will bend over backward to justify murder, if it allows them to not confront their own fucked-up beliefs.

 

I think it’s important to point out that our dem nominees are out here saying they fully support Israel and using the same old “security” rhetoric to justify supporting an apartheid regime. Which I want to note is not that much different than the blue lives matter justification, like instead of talking about Israel brutalizing Palestinians and taking their land and killing them, they’re pivoting to discussing Israel’s “security”. We need to hold liberals accountable to address all forms of American government supported oppression. I understand not making a fuss until after this election but once these two get in office I need to see some outrage on this.

 

I've said it in here before but, as far as I can tell, outside of small subsects of people, the American public at large seems to only care about foreign policy on the peripherals. Like, unless we're in a direct war with someone, the outrage is pretty minimal. Hard for me to see anyone other than a subsection of leftists caring much about Israel enough to protest/outrage/etc. Domestic policy is far more likely to be where we get enough anger to push action.

 

So fuck to Palestinians i guess

 

the overall apathy toward foreign policy in this country is infuriating and allows Dems to get away with mass murder

 

Like, most of our white population still gets all huffy when they hear the term "white privilege" because they think stuff like "well my life is just as hard!" and whatever other nonsense....getting people who are struggling with their own lives to care about how American policy is screwing over a population abroad is gonna be tough, outside of the typical activist folks...who unfortunately usually don't number enough to sway policy.

 

It's just human nature (or really American nature) to only care the most about things that will directly impact you. That's not a good thing but it is the truth. Israel is way down on the list of most things people care about (would actually be interested in a poll seeing how much people actually pay attention to what goes on in Israel vs. how many people just don't care). Foreign policy in general isn't something most people care about