Warped Tour’s Pro-Life/All Lives Matter Tent Drawing Criticism • Page 7

Internalized misogyny. But, they can actually have an opinion and discuss these things, based on their experiences. It is sort of like black republicans. I'll listen to them more readily than a white republican, but they've bought into an ideology that actually hurts them, i.e., the aforementioned obfuscation.

 

That's sort of the point of what Dom was saying though, that the "life begins at ..." debate is simply a façade for the typical paradigm of men controlling women's rights. That is, if I'm understanding him correctly.

 

It's kinda horrific the discussion even continued after Kayla's first comment honestly. When I opened this thread it was with the thought of "This is a really gross thing happening at Warped and it shouldn't happen", and when I read her comment it made everything feel more...I don't know how to put it exactly. Like I could actually feel the impact it has on the female youth and what awful things come out of this, so much more than I had really grasped before despite my beliefs aligning with hers on the subject.

 

Exactly, it's like saying the War On Drugs was really about drugs.

 

I remember getting into an argument over the subject with my past girlfriend. I told her I was pro choice, and she said "Yeah, but your opinion doesn't matter." And I argued against her so strongly saying "Well if mine can help things change I think it matters!" and she kept saying it didn't, and the more I thought about it in the days following, she was entirely right. I owe her an apology, hahaha.

 

Was she pro life?

 

Also, now that I type it out, "pro life" is a comically absurd term when used to describe people who are anti-abortion, but that's a separate discussion.

 

Pretty much.

 

She was pro choice as well, her argument was that only women's views on the subject really mattered since they were the ones who had to go through pregnancy and everything that came with it, and she was right.

 

Yeah, definitely. I was going to say, if she were anti abortion, I wouldn't know how to handle that situation.

 

Some of my female childhood friends are anti-choice. One ran an anti-choice booth/campaign in our high school which looking back seems highly inappropriate. I'm slightly less bothered if it's a woman who is anti-choice cause I feel sorry for them more so than anger, but it's such a dealbreaker for me. Like that's just not an opinion I'm going to even pretend to respect. If that makes me closed minded so be it, but this isn't some trivial opinion like someone disliking my favorite band or something. It's an opinion that can impact my life and every other woman's life and I'm not gonna be chill and tolerant when someone wants to take my rights away and nobody should be expected to.

 

NO. OH GOD, NO. PLEASE GOD, NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

 

I think someone in here mentioned a stat that the US population was pretty evenly split 50/50 on this issue. If that's true (I had always assumed way more people were pro choice than pro life, just based on my own personal experience from talking with people), then wouldn't half of pro lifers be women? Do half of the women in this country really have internalized misogyny if that's the explanation for why they're pro life?

Edit: To clarify, I say this because I'm wondering how it could all be related to men controlling women's rights then if half it's supporters are theoretically women?

 

Americans Choose "Pro-Choice" for First Time in Seven Years

 

A lot closer than I had assumed..

 

Off topic but damn she carried her resume around? Thank God for email. Bet her purse smelled good though.

Also it's laughable to assume that because US voters were split 50-50 on an issue automatically means it was split evenly between men and women. No one is saying all women are pro choice, and if that's what you heard, you really, really missed the point. All women are different. All of us are going to have different opinions. All of us are going to want different things for our bodies, have different religious views on it and different experiences and education on the matter and because of that, we should all have the right to make the decision for ourselves. Just because men can't tell us what to do with our bodies doesn't mean other women should be able to, either.

Oh and yeah, it's completely believable that half of US women struggle with internalized misogyny. I did for a long time and I do still catch myself thinking about myself and other women in misogynistic ways. This is a result of growing up a girl. This is the result of the patriarchal ideas I was fed my whole life, by my community, family members, your friendly neighborhood misogynist (we all know one). I'm an adult who can think critically about it now, but I understand the women I know who (even if I disagree with them) still reject feminism, because it was painful to realize how I'd treated myself and other women because of it.

That is exactly why it is so irresponsible to have this kind of booth, with this glaring lack of representation, peddling their ideas to young girls. Claiming that this is all in the name of giving girls a different option is ridiculous. Have you seen Rock for Life's "education" page on their website? Save yourself. There's nothing on it about actually preventing unwanted pregnancies. It's just a FAQ about why abortion is right in every instance (including rape -- yeah they went there, in case you weren't sure how disgusting this group is). You don't want to explain to women how to prevent unwanted pregnancies, then you don't get to decide their solution to the problem you never helped with.

 

Tell em!

 

if you remove over 40's that gap will expand dramatically. the makeup of the US and the indoctrination of older people and republicans and the power they hold keep it close.

 

Though I don't have a great answer to this (and Carmensaopaulo's post above answers the question much better than I could), my assumption is that women who are "pro life" have bought into the obfuscation, i.e the idea that life begins (insert time here), that they've been fed ... which, then, I believe is internalized misogyny.

 

@Carmensaopaulo answered this very well but I just wanted to pop in and say that to some extent, it is nearly impossible to exist as a woman in the world and not deal with some level of internalized misogyny. I unpack my own every single day.

 

Just posting this for people who say that the desire to control women's bodies isn't operative here, that it is really just about longstanding beliefs.

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