Thrice - To Be Everywhere Is To Be Nowhere (May 27, 2016) Album • Page 132

I mean, he actually has a point.

 

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I was just looking at YouTube and it's crazy to see that Black Honey music video already has over 500,000 views and Stare At The Sun and Image Of The Invisible both have around 2 mill and 1 mill views all time. Crazy to think they are still making new fans now.

 

"Emo roots?"

I certainly never saw them that way.

 

I wouldn't consider them "emo" but they kinda came up in the scene with some of those bands, so I guess it makes sense.

 

I've been really loving this album. Favorites so far are Hurricane, Blood in the Sand, and Black Honey. Least favorites are the window, the long defeat, and stay with me.

 

Uploaded an acoustic cover of Salt and Shadow, tough to do the original any justice but its fun to play

 

This was fantastic.. It's amazing how much you sound like Dustin, you did a great job mimicking his vibrato at the end of phrases. All and all great cover thanks for sharing

 

It's actually, "Alright, guy."

Otherwise, you're saying I am an alright guy.

 

Alright guy.

 

Bravo man!

 

I'll give you it's more diverse, musically, than Beggars, but if we're talking about songwriting I think Beggars has it beat. Heck, Wood and Wire is probably some of Dustin's strongest storytelling.

Well, if it's the best album because of it's scale and diversity, shouldn't Alchemy Index at least be in the conversation? Since it's, without a doubt, both grander in scale and definitely more diverse.

Vheissu also contains Image of the Invisible, which I think is one of their weakest songs to date. It sounds more like a The Artist in the Ambulance b-side, and feels really out of place. Which brings up the strongest argument for Beggars, consistency. There's just not an outlier on that album. Everything fits beautifully.

I get that Vheissu was an important step and change in direction for the band, and actually was my favorite for a very long time. But give it 50 years and I'm confident Beggars will be viewed as a masterpiece and their magnum opus. It's the one where they got it just right.

 

beggars is easily their strongest outing

 

You rock. Come do karaoke here and you'll be paid handsomely with clapping hands and beers, provided exclusively by me because everyone else will boo and hate you for not playing Freebird or Ice Ice Baby for the 6th time that night.

Actually, yeah, don't do karaoke here but you still rock.

 

Haha I have the EXACT same opinion, but about Beggars. "All the World is Mad" is probably among my least favorite Thrice songs. And I am not wild about Doublespeak. I also LOVE Image of the Invisible. Gets me so pumped every time that I hear it.

For my money, it isn't even close. Vheissu is worlds apart from the rest of their output. I think it showcases the best of Thrice.

Beggars slots in at #2 for me.

 

Thank man! Thats a big complement! I'll take it! haha

 

I think they're both great, but I'm giving the edge to Beggars. I think it's a more captivating listen. Vheissu sometimes feels tiresome to listen to, and maybe that's because of its production. The production is good enough, but Beggars' production style really brings that album to life and gives it an energy that Vheissu doesn't really have.

 

Beggars is my Thrice groove album, always get's me in a good mood and it just has that rhythm that I like.

 

You must have purposely picked on Image of the invisible and left out Dust of Nations, The Earth Will Shake, Red Sky, For Miles, Hold Fast Hope.... I mean In Exile, the Weight, Beggars are all great songs but the stripped down song style of that album doesn’t hold up to Vheissu, I'm sorry. In the Vinyl notes to beggars Teppi and Riley talked on multiple songs how they had to purposely hold back on playing to fit the songs more simple , stripped down sound. I love the album but it's the one thrice record without a single banger on it.

You bring up a good point about Alchemy though

 

Once again, I know some of you consider Beggars your favorite album (as do I). But, if you polled every Thrice fan on the planet as well as their peers and critics, Vheissu would come out on top as their defining work/record. Without question.

My fondness for Beggars doesn't affect my ability to look at their work objectively and I feel like some of you are not recognizing what the ultimate point was.

In addition to what the majority of people would say, the record, as a body of work, is more complete in terms of production value, sonic diversity, maturation as a band, creativity etc.

Part of that is the fact that they still had a major label paying for everything so they afforded themselves a great producer (and an unusual choice at that) as well as a great deal of TIME to be able to explore uncharted territory for the band. The label wanted more TAITA sounds but they put their foot down so we could get "For Miles" instead. Thank God they did that.

Despite being their highest selling record (mainly due to the genre's mainstream arrival the same year of its release), TAITA was a disappointment to some fans (like myself) as well as the band. They felt that it was written in a very short period of time so the songs weren't as fleshed out as they could've been while the mixer went against their wishes. Having written a few records myself, you never have enough time for writing/tracking/post-production given the expense involved. So, to take a ton of time off to write amongst themselves is an incredible luxury. That's why Vheissu had so much detail and precision as far as every facet of songwriting. When I say the band matured, you can hear it in Dustin's vocals especially. His improvement as of Vheissu was considerable as he no longer had to scream his guts out. He was finally a vocalist, tried and true.

Beggars is the anti-Vheissu as it's a smaller-scale production that's meant to echo their live sound. It was self-produced in Teppei's garage. They didn't do anything too different on it as far as their sound but they did write songs with groove in mind. Their music has been labeled as "sleepy" post-TAITA so they were intent on capturing a higher energy without having to write pure shredders again. That's proven by World Is Mad, The Weight, Doublespeak etc.

Again, objectively speaking, Vheissu is their defining work, "pound for pound," even if it's not everyone's favorite record (including my own).

That being said, in a few years, TBEItBN could surpass Vheissu. These things take time. For example, I couldn't come to grips with M/m being a disappointment until I heard TBEItBN.

Somebody asked me recently what Thrice record they should start with having never listened to the band and Vheissu was my automatic answer. That's the best representation of the band as a whole. So, think about it in that context in order to give people an assortment of sounds from each era: the IC/TIoS/TAITA era; the Vheissu/TAI era and then the Beggars/M/m/TBEItBN era.

Beggars doesn't give newcomers a true read of what the band was and is capable of despite being a wonderful detour for existing fans at the time.

 

I wouldn't call those song high energy really. Live, the weight and crew are a different story but on the album only really all the world is mad and talking through glass have any energy.

 

I don't give a shit if you polled every Thrice fan on the planet and Vheissu was the majority answer. That doesn't make my opinion of Beggars as their best work suddenly void.

 

Lol Mike loves to stir the pot

Vheissu musically is better than beggars

 

Well a mean stew is being cooked in this thread rn

 

Vheissu and Beggars are essentially interchangeable in terms of my favorite Thrice album. Vheissu is epic and cinematic, and captures that side of the band perfectly. Beggars is the other side of the coin: a stripped down rock record that reaches the same emotional heights of Vheissu through different means. I think they both have Dustin's best lyrics, as well.

 

Mike J loves Thrice like Louis Bloom loves the news in Nightcrawler.