Captain Marvel (Boden/Fleck, March 8, 2019) Movie • Page 32

I’m going to always be upset that Quicksilver is only in one MCU film. I think the twins are the best part of Age of Ultron. I also like Banner and Clint.

 

There are good parts, but the bad outweighs them by a lot.

 

I'm doing an MCU rewatch right now, my thoughts so far are that Iron Man 2 is... good, and a bit better than I remember, but The Incredible Hulk is almost unsalvageably terrible in every way. the recast of that character was the best thing they ever did

dreading having to sit through The Dark World again for the last time in my life

 

I've never understood the hyperbole around how one cringy scene between Banner and Widow and a 5 minute cave bath scene with Thor ruins a movie packed full of great character moments, comedy and action set pieces ripped straight off a comic page. The opening, party scene, hulk buster fight, spader ultron, vision.... it all ruled. Even Tony and Steve chopping wood was entertaining haha.

 

Those aren't the scenes that ruined it. The story ruined it. The way they portrayed Ultron and how easily they defeated him, the banter/jokes between characters were cringey, the way they introduced and killed off Quicksilver, the fact Tony gets off with no consequence even though he almost destroyed the world, the twist of Hawkeye having a wife and kids, how easily Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver are manipulated and then just switch sides on a dime, the pacing of the movie, etc.

There's just a lot wrong with it. There's a good movie buried in there. There was even concept art and an idea to have the final battle be a giant Ultron made up of thousand of Ultron robots and that would have been cool, but we just got a mess instead.

 

just everything around Vision in that movie is crazy bad, too. and yeah it pretty much character assassinated Stark completely in my eyes, hard to sympathise with his side in Civil War at all after the shit he pulled

 

While I don't personally think a lot of those things are issues and I enjoyed them, thanks for the response. I typically only hear people complain about Thor's cave bath and the Banner/Widow thing so your pov makes more sense now. I loved Vision, esp his convo with Ultron at the end.

 

The Bruce & Nat thing is more than "one cringy scene," though that mishandled moment (which could've been a tasteful look at a character regretting lost agency, but Whedon's bad at tasteful treatment of women) is the low point of that subplot. The angle felt out of left field & not in line w/ Nat in general, though. And, there was that bad Bruce-falls-on-Nat's-boobs shot, which he used again in Justice League. Whedon's unearned reputation for "empowered women," just 'cause they're quippy & fight, really broke down there. That awful prima nocta joke certainly doesn't help.

Still, there is a good film buried in there. Take out the misogyny, take out the Infinity War setup, & put back a small deleted scene from early on that showed a little more of Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch's humanity. Probably other moments I'm forgetting that need trimmed. Then, you'd have easily the best Avengers film. It's just, unlike w/ my underappreciated fav ASM2, the bad elements in AoU take me out of the film.

Both sequences of just hanging out rule. And, Vision rules.

 

I’ve always disliked Tony Stark’s prima nocta joke.

He might have said it in Iron Man 1 or 2 but after Avengers 1 and Iron Man 3, I felt like Stark’s personality changed. Whedon was simply stuck 5 years in the past.

 

I like the reveal that Hawkeye lives a normal, happy life with his family on a farm when he's not helping out the Avengers. That and the speech to Scarlet Witch in Sokovia really fleshed out his character and made me like him a lot more. AoU was underwhelming in my opinion, but a lot of the character stuff was good.

 

The First Avenger is still easily my favourite movie in Phase One, apart from a very cheesy montage I really don't know what people dislike about that one

 

Just watched it the other night and I’m always disappointed by it. Everyone phoned it in making that movie.

 

it's especially frustrating given that the other sequels in Phase 2 all went above and beyond and got better than their first movies (yeah I love Iron Man 3 sue me)

The Dark World takes the multiple bad parts of the first Thor and stretches them out so that the very few good parts are completely non-existent. and it wastes Christopher Eccleston as a villain. what a shitshow

 

I liked TDW more than the first Thor. Neither are great movies.

 

Haha I never noticed it was in both movies but you are right (I would place money on it being a Whedon scene in JL). Nice catch! I think it honestly works in JL though as a visual gag since Flash freezes in embarrassment for a second and then the next frame he's standing off to the side blushing which fits his character in the movie. In Avengers it was unnecessary though.

 

I was curious to see how this is doing, and then I saw that Black Panther number. Jesus.

 

Crazy that the first Spiderman is still that high!

Also Batman Begins needs to be higher!

 

Especially with inflation

 

Adjusted it sits at $627 million, but I still don't think that is even a fair number given the influx of 3D and IMAX since then.

 

Big hero 6 forever

 

Disney animation is terrible at doing sequels.

This movie deserves it so bad, but it'll probably be a case like Incredibles where it takes 13 years. They are quick to move on Frozen 2 and Toy Story 4 though

 

Frozen and TS3 each made almost $500million more worldwide, of course they greenlit those sequels first, lol. Smart on their part.

I adore Big Hero 6. Haven't watched it in a while though.