Pinegrove - Skylight (September 28, 2018) Album • Page 77

It’s worth noting emotional abuse is still quite serious and extremely damaging to people. It occurs more often and may not seem as bad as physical abuse but it can leave lasting emotional scars. It shouldn’t be downplayed or looked over but I do believe if the right steps are taken the emotional abuser should have a chance to get better and make amends, make things right. Whether Evan truly has is up for some serious debate though. I’ll flat out admit I’ve been emotionally abusive to people I’ve been with, which is why I wanted to believe Evan was on the right track to redemption, but I shouldn’t project my own problems onto the situation

 

Unfortunately I don't think this is a situation where we will ever get a clear cut full understanding of everything being that the victim wanted none of this out in the public to begin with.

 

The attacks on Jenn Pelly in this thread are gross. I’m out.

 

i think jenn pelly can be criticized fairly for the article, i definitely didnt need all those paragraphs about how big of a fan she is, it could've been condensed for sure. but i also sincerely believe she was just trying to work through it all like the rest of us. at the same time she has an obvious bias toward the band and seems willing to believe what they told her at face value. i get it. but it makes the article much less impartial and open to criticism. and with pitchfork running this review, it makes the article look that much worse, which is not the fault of her. i think a lot of the article is great, i think some of it is not, i think it would have been much better on literally any other publication. thats my take, piping hot out the oven

 

I mean this obviously was not targetted at you so you’re really barking at the wrong tree here sorry that there was ambiguity in how I wrote that.

EDIT : thought the context made it clear that I was talking about cis men circlejerking in a pool of privilege to take the edge for one of theirs, as they do, I apologise that it came out looking like I was talking about everyone who wanted to believe that this was gonna be a good end to this story/didnt tick right away.

 

Aside from that criticising Jenn Pelly =/= attacking her. I think what she wrote was unethical as fuck. I’m not backing down from that. I don’t feel that sorry for her.

 

Rings is a perfect opener, I love how he belts and then pulls it back right away. Great artistry.

 

The important subject here is not just going to go away, no matter how hard anyone tries.

 

I thought both conversations could exist?

 

I really enjoyed this on first listen. Closer was beautiful

 

Honestly I feel like trying to talk about this music while the conversation is going on isn’t much different than when people were posting music in the emo thread while that conversation was happening

I underdstand why people are talking about the music, but I personally feel weird reading a conversation about what’s going interjected with “oh I really like Rings” or whatever

I don’t know. Not trying to discourage the conversation. Just trying to talk about how I feel

 

This thread is fucking toxic

 

Okay, I guess don’t say both conversations can exist then?

 

I’m literally just saying it’s jarring to me. If we’re done talking about everything and people wanna start talking about the album, whatever, fine, but to see comments about the music in the middle of people talking about how they’re confused and hurt and trying to work through their feelings is making me personally uncomfortable

No interest in singling you out either. Just still trying to work through my personal feelings

 

i mean yeah i think it feels weird when people talk about the music in the middle of the conversation but i dont think anyone is doing so maliciously or trying to make the other conversation go away by any means. thats a mean assumption. the album is out and people have heard it, they're gonna talk about it and this is the album thread, its gonna get talked about.

 

I, for one, never said anything of that sort, nor would I.

 

If that’s how it came off, I’m sorry! I don’t want to imply that people are doing so intentionally to derail the conversation, especially in the album thread where of course people are gonna talk about the music

You started with what I was trying to say though. It just /feels/ weird

 

oh no you're fine! it was this post:

"no matter how hard anyone tries" is....idk....i really dont think people are trying to push away the other conversation by talking about the album. i really dont.

 

theoretically we could move the big convo to the accountability thread and those of us not ready to talk or see people talk about the music can unsub from this one and not have to worry, however, i think the conversation taking place in here is important so people who may not be up to speed or confused with their own feelings can read the conversation as well

 

I think the conversation can and should happen here.

I just thought both conversations could exist

 

Also I don’t want to stir some shit here but since we’re writing big posts about how toxic I am, if any of you have a problem with my tone on this thread, if you think I’m condescending, I’d like you to look at how I’ve been treated a couple days ago by you guys. I’ve been talked down to and dogpiled on and when I talked back I was dismissed. You don’t have a monopoly on feelings about this situation, just because I was immediately critical of the article and didn’t agree with yall doesn’t mean I’m a hard, cold, unfeeling machine meant to antagonise you, whom this situation doesn’t affect and acting like it is completely insensitive and self centered.

Yes it’s close to your heart because you like the band ; big deal, you're not the only ones. It’s close to mine too : I trusted the band like you all, I know a victim of his, and it’s upsetting and triggering for most of my closest friends too, who’ve had to deal with men like Hall before.

If you think this thread is toxic because people are making legit arguments and not turning the other cheek when people say they “just don’t want people to get better” then I don’t know what to say. Don’t treat me like crap and ignore and condescend to what I’m bringing to the table and I’ll be nice next time.

I’ve solved this with a couple people privately so if any of the people who have liked that rant about how annoying I am (by someone I don’t even remember ever interacting with) want to drop in my box want to tell me what their problem with me is they’re welcome to.

 

I really don't know what's going on and I don't want anyone to think I am being insensitive in this thread, but I just don't have the knowledge of this situation to comment on what's going on outside of the album I decided to listen to today. I will do my best to read up and understand what's going on, it actually would be much appreciated if someone who knows the situation would inform me in a summary of what's happening as I don't have time to dive in deeply.

I just wanted to say as far as the music part goes which is all I know at the moment, I really like what I am hearing from this album. About 5 tracks in and nothing has been a dud to me.

 

Not sure if this has been posted yet or not.

 

I feel so sad at how much I like most of this album yet in the most perverse way, everything that’s happened makes this band’s music and evan’s lyrics so much more....complicated and maybe even genuine? It adds to the existing earnestness of the tunes is my ultimate point. Idk, I found myself dealing with a lot of catharsis on my first listen thru the discography since the initial Evan statement, but I guess that could be for any number of reasons.

Not to mention that as someone who teeters on the line of being a careless and manipulative person pretty often, it’s easy to draw parallels and make loose connections to your own life when something like this happens, especially if you looked up to the abuser/perpetrator in a real way.

goddamn, I realize this all probably sounds such a silencing viewpoint; obviously the survivor’s wellbeing and wishes (which maybe seem to be still in question?) are first and foremost in this situation forever and always, just saying where I’m coming from, might connect for some. Obviously hope everyone is okay, I’m so confused and internally torn and heartbroken by all of this and I just want everyone affected to hang in there. The conversation in here is a literal emotional gamut but I appreciate it

 

Not knowing what the real deal is with all the tweets and stuff coming out after the fact makes me hesitant about committing to the stances in my post, more just gut instincts