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No way, Jose.

Can we all agree that the parting "you want the good girl but you need the bad pussy" line was by far the low point of this show? There may be a very narrow context where that word can not be just douchey, cringey, and porny, but that sure as fuck wasn't it.

That's your most hated character? Not The Mountain, or Ramsey, or Frey, or Cersei?

I see THS as a pretty benign and fungible religious fanatic. But I also think the actor plays the part very, very well, so I'm in no hurry to see him go considering the show is at a loss of well-played villains with the demise of Tywin and Roose-- I suppose I'm more partial to the tempered villains than the weirdo psychopath types like Ramsey, who I think kind of sucks as a character. Anyways, THS's proletarian-esque speech to Jaime was actually one of my favorite moments of the season. Only to be followed by that ultra-lame epiphany speech he gave to Margaery. Idk: he's a well-played character whose death would achieve nothing.



Also, can someone more attune to the finer details, perhaps geographical, of the book explain to me why there is such a complete lack of black characters in this show? The only one I can recall at all is the dude from Qarth. Are the books just scant on racial indicators beyond Essos inhabitants being darker? Was the Qarth dude a migrant from Sothoryos?

 

Funnily enough, yeah. The Mountain's already kind of dead so whatever with him. The others, and this kind of goes for everyone else who does horrific things on this show, at least acknowledge they're pieces of shit and they're just doing what's best for them. Those are characters I can deal with, THS just aggravates me too much and I don't even find him entertaining although I do think the actor is great at playing the character which is why he bother's me so much.

Also, part of my original post was me thinking he may survive or get away with it in a way. I don't think there's much chance of that for Ramsey or Frey and I feel like Cersei's already had a ton of shit.

 

They confirmed in the making of this episode that this is GRRM's backstory for Hodor.

 

Yeah, Reddit "ideas" are usually some of the most-outlandish and least-plausible outcomes I've heard when discussing material like this. Hell, its not related... but a post on the /BrandNew board the other day perfect illustrates this: some dude was being all hype about how he thought Jesse was going to perform with Morrissey at Riot Fest.

I would have died laughing had this happened!

Close, but nope.

I'd say that Joffrey was the only character I REALLY hated that I wanted to see die. I hate(d) Cersei, Ramsey, THS, (&Tywin) but I like all of the actors who played them and/or what the character brought to the story. Never was a big fan of Joffrey either acting-wise or as a "bad guy". But man, I would love to continue to have to hate the rest of them for awhile if for nothing else but the fact that I enjoy watching those characters be played.

 

On the continents of both Westeros and Essos, there aren't any native "black" peoples. Some regions of Essos have people that are kind of based off of Mediterranean and/or middle eastern peoples, and the Dothraki are inspired by a kind of a mix of a bunch of nomadic tribes, including Mongols, Huns, and Native American tribes. The guy in Quarth stated he came from the Summer Isles, which is probably the most populated area in the known world as it pertains to black people. But they are a group of 5-6 main islands that are pretty separated from both continents, and some of their first encounters with other people (The Ghiscari empire, the precursor to the masters of Slavers Bay), showed them there was a bigger world out there than they thought. As they traded, they realized that the Valyrians would pay a lot of gold for slaves, so they sold some of their own people into slavery, as well as some of them being taken by force through quick raids by those empires. I think Salladhor Sahn wasn't supposed to be black in the books as he's from Lys, but in the show he's from Lys but of Summer Isle descent. The Island of Naath is near by the Summer Isles, and that's where Missandei is from, I think they as a people are also 'black', but they have more of that almond skin color while Summer Islanders are more dark skinned.

The people of Sothoryos are actually called Brindled Men, as they apparently have black and white skin in stripes. A lot of what the people of Westeros know about Sothoryos seems based on what Europeans must of thought of Africa before they explored it--a savage land filled with brutal peoples and even worse animals and diseases. Every empire or outsider that has tried to colonize there, including the Ghiscari, the Valyrians, the Summer Islanders, Nymeria's people before they ended up in Dorne, etc, have all failed miserably due to death and disease.

 

Is this all from the books? That's an insane amount of detail and back story

 

not in the normal books but probably from a world of ice and fire companion book

 

Mostly from "The World of Ice and Fire" book that came out a couple years ago. It was awesome and gave a lot of detail on a lot of places in the Known World, I definitely suggest it if you're interested in the world.

We do get some of it in the books I think, because in the books there's an exiled prince from the Summer Isles that's in Westeros and is always at Robert's court trying to convince him to give him funds and an army to take back the island he's from. But def not that many details.

 

twoiaf is a really great companion book for world building

 

Also I'm pretty sure the crew Sam and Gilly sailed from Braavos to Old Town with were from the Summer Isles so we got a little context there too

 

Apparently he's in the next episode...http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/6...preview-and-inside-look-at-episode-5#/slide/1

 

That only says he's also appearing in season six. I think he's going to be in Episode 7 based off its title, "The Broken Man".

 

I'm trying to make sense of the White Walkers. Initially we saw 13 of them but ever since then we've only seen four of them and I'm 90 percent sure Meera and Jon killed the same one. Am I just imagining things?

I was just thinking on it because I can only think of four Valyrian steel swords left in the world; Jon, Brienne, Tommen, and Randyll Tarly. They seem to be going hard with the Four Horsemen theme. Jon and Brienne are obviously staying since they are both main characters and as far as the mythology goes, Jon represents leadership and Brienne represents justice (Oathkeeper) so that is "two horsemen" right there. Tommen has a death sentence and Randyll is just not going to be significant in that way. The remaining two swords are called Widow's Wail and Heartsbane. So now I'm just thinking on who the final two could be. Jorah, Daario, Arya, Yara, Loras, Jaime....can't think of many beyond that. Unless Gendry finally finds his way back to shore.

 

Is Valyrian steel less common in the show than the books? Plus, Dany might figure out the formula for it depending on what it requires.

 

According to the GoT wikia, there are 9 known blades in the show.

 

Yeah there are a few lost swords (2 Targaryen and 1 Lannister), and one for house Corbray, none of which are really acknowledged in the show, all the rest are though so I guess they're about equal really.

 

Are people aware that The Door was directed by the same dude who did the episode "The Constant" from the show Lost?

 

The same article went on to say there are over 200 Valyrian steel swords in Westeros alone.

 

Huh, you'd think maybe there would be a few more just hanging around. Then again, the dagger that Joffrey gave the assassin to kill Bran was valyrian steel and he just grabbed that from wherever, so maybe they're all in storage somewhere

 

valyrian steel is held by various noble houses in westeros as precious family items. this is pretty common knowledge in the books, but i wasnt sure if the show had explicitly changed their presence.

 

Maybe has been discussed, but did the 3 Eyed Raven know the future, at least up until his own death?

When the Raven realized he had to rush the process of getting Bran up to speed, he brings him to Winterfell and he encourages Bran to worg into Hodor, right? Well that didn't actually get Bran up to speed what so ever, all it did was ensure his survival, or at least give him a chance.

Most likely the Raven knew that he was going to die when Bran came to him and encountered the Wight Walker, but I wonder if he knew more than that or if his knowledge died along with him.

The thing I'm still hung up on is did Bran worg into the child version of Hodor (thus worging into the adult version), or did he only worg into the adult version and some strange loop caused the child Hodor to flip out?

 

I suppose it could also be Jon, Brienne, Jorah/Someone, and Dany, since the fourth horse had no sword but instead had like, Hades or some shit. Drogon could be Hades, why not.

 

Random thought:

The 3 Eyed Raven said that Bran will become him...well what if he mean't that in a literal sense? When the Raven died and he ensured the safety of Bran, the likely situation is that Bran will "become" the Raven.

Am I too far off or does this hold weight?

 

The identity of the Raven has been revealed in the books, i'm not sure if it's been revealed in the show, and he's definitely not Bran.

 

There are definitely a lot more than the 13 White Walkers, and the one Meera killed looked a lot different than the one Jon killed:



Can't find a picture of hte one Meera killed, but they definitely looked different.

But remember, we have to assume at this point that the very large majority of Craster's sons became White Walkers. He had to have had a few dozen daughters and grand daughters running around his keep, if not more, so it's fair to assume there's at least a few dozen White Walkers just from Craster's sons alone. That's not to mention how many others they were able to make out of wildings, if any.