Master of None (Aziz Ansari, Netflix) TV Show • Page 19

I’ve been wrestling with this over the past 24 hours as he’s always appeared to be the type that isn’t so aggressive in pursuing women. But the fact that he couldn’t accept no for an answer is the most troubling. At his age he should have known better. Like others have said, wouldn’t be surprised if more women come forward with similar experiences.

 

This one really fucks me up.

Judging from his texts to the poor girl, I think that Aziz was genuinely stupid enough to not realize how gross his actions were. I know a few guys in my town who have been outed as abusers who vehemently deny any wrong doing because they saw everything they did as perfectly consensual when it really wasn't. I thought that Aziz of all people would know enough about enthusiastic consent to back the fuck off when she didn't seem engaged. On the other hand, he could have been gaslighting her with those texts and knew exactly what he was doing. Gah. His whole brand was against bullshit like this! This is PWR BTTM all over again. I have no doubt that there are other stories like this.

Parks and Recreation is my favourite show of all time and has carried me through serious darkness. It is going to be a very long time before I can watch it again. All other Aziz is cancelled.

Edit: Read the statement. So he is just fucking stupid. Great. Super great.

 

Every passing day makes me more and more certain that we fucked up multiple generations of men by not explaining consent at all. I sure hope that’s being fixed for the next group.

 

I don't think for a second that he didn't know what he was doing.

 

I keep going back and forth on it. I want to see other stories before I come to conclusion on whether Aziz Ansari is a monster or a moron. I'm treating him the same either way, which is to say like someone who sexually assaulted a woman on a date.

 

Infuriating seeing people refer to this as an "awkward hookup" to avoid the truth of what it is. This is not normal. This is not okay.

 

He literally had a bit about how creepy it is that men follow women in his last special. Ffs

 

this article seems...misguided

The Humiliation of Aziz Ansari

 

what I want to know is what, if anything, Aziz changed about the way he interacts with women following this experience in which he clearly recognized after the fact that he misread the situation.

If the answer is "nothing" (which seems likely), then he by definition wasn't just being stupid. You can't claim ignorance if you don't change after having been confronted with your mistakes.

 

Fucking blahhhh hypocritical creep

 

Seriously though - this is horrible. That story was tough to read

 

This is the hardest one to hear so far, honestly harder than Jesse Lacey. I loved so much of what he accomplished with Master of None and was hoping he'd have a successful jump into filmmaking like Jordan Peele did.

Are these people really all hypocritical monsters, or can you really be that affected by toxic masculinity that you don't see how your own egregiously bad behavior falls under what you've been critical of? I get that a lot of us have subtle hypocrisy here and there that we slowly work on, but there's nothing subtle about this trash.

 

I think they're all just obsessed with sex and are used to getting it easy. It distorts their perception of a healthy relationship.

 

This

a million times This.

 

Exactly what Jason said.

I think a lot of guys think this type of behavior is just "being alpha" or "making the first move" or whatever.

A lot of guys mistake "the lack of an explicit no" for consent.

In this particular scenario, the woman went along with some of his advances even though she expressed that she was uncomfortable, therefore giving the guy (what in his fucked up mind was) consent.

 

I just learned of this news today. This one fucking sucks. I was just talking to a friend yesterday about our favorite comedy shows we've been to, and how much I loved Aziz and how he seemed like such a genuinely good dude.

I felt like throwing up the entire time reading her story. The amount of times during the whole encounter he should have understood she wasn't into it and stopped is maddening. It's almost guaranteed he's done this before. That poor girl

 

Absolutely. In fact, I know my generation was basically taught that. Like that was part of sex education ... basically some variation of if she doesn't say no when you try something it's "ok" ... and that was reinforced by peer groups, tv shows/movies, etc.

I've been in sexual encounters where someone else escalated the situation passed where I wanted to go, but didn't stop it, and afterward was like, "well, shit, that went farther than I expected," and yeah, not good. And as a guy we were raised/conditioned to basically never say "no" if you were "cool." Toxic bullshit.

 

Yup. In my experience sex education is typically either putting bananas on condoms or just plain non existent. I don't think anything was ever mentioned to me by school or parents about consent.

Also, I think the media/TV/movies/music/etc often portray men as super sexually driven and women as having no real sex drive - Men have to exert dominance/push for sex or there'd be none, right?

I dunno, I feel like men are almost pressured into being this way. If you're not an alpha that gets laid all the time you're a pussy.

It's disgusting and needs to be changed, but I think it 100% starts with education. If our generation is this fucked up, I can only imagine what the next generation (growing up on the internet/porn) will be like.

 

Yep. These are big contributing issues. Pretty much every sitcom I can remember has the stereotypical "guy who disrespects women but always gets laid" character. For young men, the implication is that if you're not having sex, you're a loser, but if you are you're a stud. But it's worse for women. They are basically labelled either a slut or a prude (another reason why it's probably hard to stand up to this behavior).

I think when you couple shitty sex education in schools with the influence of tv and movies, it's easy to see how generations can get shaped into thinking this type of behavior is normal.

 

I am legitimately terrified of the next generation for a hundred other reasons I hope no hope they can do any better with this. Cancel the planet

 

A few words about sexual coercion, in the wake of the Aziz Ansari accusations

 

It's pretty dismaying that so many peoples' response to these things is to defend the accused or downplay the accusations. Why are peoples' values so warped that they sooner defend a man they don't know than a woman who's been victimized by him

 

Cognitive dissonance

 

Man I don’t what sex education classes y’all had, but I never had a teacher even remotely imply that an absence of “no” meant do whatever you want. It was always stressed that a key component of sex is communication. Maybe I just got lucky with my teachers.

 

I don't think 14-16 year old me would care to dive deeper into what that means on my own. We had clear lessons about rape and violent sexual assault without consent but that was the limit. For example, never did we discuss the nuances of obtaining consent from a person under the influence. The most I ever got was (and this was from a HS teacher) "There's no point in having sex while drunk, you won't be able to get an erection".

My sex ed was from like 2000-2002, I'd hope that it's improved now.