Captain America: Civil War (Joe & Anthony Russo, 5/6/2016) Movie • Page 21

The music was so bad, like I thought it was fake filler music. At least Spidey was fun. Not bad, lots of flaws. A Marvel movie in a nutshell. The script and directing sure needed work.

(Lady literally fell asleep next to us in the first act)

 

I liked Spidey but I'm not sure if he can stand alone in his own movie atm

 

There were countless things people complained about in BvS that were here in spades. But there were jokes! Hahahaha.

 

This is so ridiculously condescending and not ok. Come on man.

 

Some of the jokes were quite good, but like AoU felt tonally inconsistent with the events that were unfolding. (Though in AoU it was another level of unbearable).

Think one of my biggest qualms is that the stakes feel so trivial in the MCU. None of what happened seems like it is going to have any lasting impact.

 

That feeling of stakes is what I was talking with a friend about after the movie. There's also now the issue of how powerful the technology is (beside how powerful the characters are, to where they have to just kinda pretend certain ones are not there in scenes to make it work), but when you're making robot legs and can basically solve any issue or problem that arises ... there aren't stakes. Paralization is solved. In jail? Go beat up some innocent people and give them concussions and break them out. I never felt any peril or danger for anyone, not even the main bad guy (who Skyfall'd a pretty convoluted plot) felt in danger of anything but capture. The mortals even admitted to pulling punches in their little skirmish that sure was fun to watch but also felt like two rival neighborhoods throwing sticks at each other instead of using their words. But, I mean good job getting fooled by a mask and wig when you can literally make a paralyzed man walk and have X-ray vision flying drones and neural implants that create 3D holograms from your memories. You'd think maybe that tech could screen the dude coming in as a psychologist a tad better - like maybe one photo of him or run the facial software on the one dude you let alone in the room with Bucky. Seems like that would be a smart move.

Movie still was fun and I liked it despite the flaws. But the music was still horrifically bad.

 

Amazing, definitely in the top 3 of best Marvel movies.

I want to rave so hard. I had few gripes but overall this was almost a perfect movie going experience.

 

Tom H. as Spider-Man.. A1
Tom H. as Peter Parker.. Meh. Liked Andrew better as Peter.

He killed the humor and talkative nature of Spider-Man

Kinda wish it wasn't a "teenager" version.

Could see a cool mentor like relationship with Tony. Then when he dies it'll really affect Peter.

Black Panther was played perfectly.

 

@Jason Tate, I don't understand how you came to that conclusion on the airport fight. Sticks instead of words? Wasn't the hour or so prior filled with words? As for the pulled punches, that makes sense. A lot more sense than in the comic, when Tony freakin' recruited villains and built a cyborg Thor. Tony just wanted to wear them down so he could take them in, and Steve was forced into the showdown.

(The only weird moment was Vision shooting a blast strong enough to take out War Machine at Falcon, which I guess works because he was caught up in the emotions, but it also means he would have effed up even more if he were successful.)

As for the technology thing, that's a problem with most comic book stuff, lol. How did it take years for Barbara to get out of the wheelchair and become Batgirl again? Why aren't the US military and police equipped with Peter's webs, which clearly get a lot of bang for your buck? A "real" comic book world would rapidly become either super futuristic or a chaotic dystopia. All of it eventually breaks down.

 

This movie made me stoked for the Black Panther film which is obviously one of the goals that Marvel had in mind. I'll say that they succeeded. I would have liked it if Steve died and Bucky took over though.

 

Thinking more, my only complaint about the movie is how they handled Ant Man. They made SUCH a big deal out of him wanting to turn his life around so he could be in his daughter's life again, only to be like "Meh, what else is new?" when told of the fugitive possibility. They at least made sure to bring up Clint's family.. Just a little disappointing because Ant Man is one of my favorite Marvel movies.

Huh that's surprising about preferring Garfield as Parker. I always thought the main complaint about Garfield was that his Peter was too cocky and "cool", while his Spider Man was a major improvement over Maguire (granted, not hard to do). I loved Garfield's cheesy one liners as Spider Man, and was worried theyd mess it up, but man was I wrong. I feel like we finally have an actor playing both roles the way they should be and I'm stoked on it :)

I mean Spider Man's story arc has historically started in high school, but I getcha. I just loved the Ultimate run of the Spider Man comics and love that dynamic of the experienced heroes worried about his safety and thinking he's too inexperienced and young while he just keeps doing his thing because he's mother fucking Spider Man :P

 

Huh this is actually a really interesting point that I totally agree on but never really thought about before.

 

As far as stakes go, what bothers me is the fallout from this movie doesn't feel "real". That letter from cap feels like a reset button where it's like "yeah a lot of shit went down and Cap's maybe not in the Avengers anymore... but yeah he's still in the Avengers everything's still cool"

Both this movie and BvS are flawed but at it's core this movie works about a hundred times better than BvS so I don't see a problem with people glossing over any similar issues they had.

 

I liked Garfield's Spider Man and Peter more.

 

Let's wait until we know whether the fallout will roll over into other films instead of just assuming it won't. I mean almost everything that happened in this one was a result of events from previous films so it's hard to say there's never any lasting impact from what happens.

 

One of my only complaints
How did Steve know about Bucky killing Tony's parents? We have no reason to believe he knew other than that he told Tony he knew during the reveal
Other than that I loved it. Tom Holland and Chadwick Boseman really stole the show here for me

 

He found out in The Winter Soldier when he found out about Hydra in the underground computer lab.

 

I think one of the reasons I appreciate this film so much is the stakes weren't about the end of the world. It was about people. Aliens weren't leveling cities, there wasn't some unstoppable monster tearing things down, even the larger setpieces felt pretty contained, and the final battle is just between two characters, the action being an extension of their personalities and their disagreement and conflict. That felt refreshing after the previous two Avengers movies, BvS, etc. I really, really hope Spider-Man: Homecoming follows that.

Although, the film being about people also hinders it a bit. It introduces the idea of consequences for hero battles so well, with that mother grieving her son and Wanda's killing of innocent people. But it's forgotten by the end of the film. The thematic throughlines of Cap and Tony's sides are government misuse/corruption/overreach and then accountability and responsibility. The government stuff is handled pretty well and feels explored by the end, but the responsibility and accountability stuff is left by the wayside, as Cap and his team escape in a beat that plays triumphantly (if at the same time bittersweet with Tony's situation). So that's a pretty notable misstep.

 

it was a little league joke right?

 

Agreed, but I will say Holland was the best high school Peter. I just don't like Peter in high school that much and pretend Garfield's Peter was in college, lol.

In an ideal world, they'll introduce Miles when this Peter is in college, and we'll have Romita-era Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man in the same film, and it'll be the best Spider-Man film ever.

 

Absolutely loved this. Considering everything involved, I think it was pretty well-balanced. I was pretty surprised with how much Black Panther was in it, but Boseman and Holland really nailed it as the two big additions to the MCU. The action pieces in the film were fantastic though. Not sure where I'd rank it among the MCU titles, but it's certainly up there.

 

Yeah, I feel the same. I watched The Amazing Spider-man last night and it reminded me of how great he was. I'll always wish that we could've had TASM 3 just to finish off the trilogy.

 

I feel like the only people who say this are those who are only familiar with the Tobey Maguire version of the character/have never read a Spider-man comic that isn't from the 60s

 

(guilty)

 

I thought it was pretty good. Lots of flaws. Still fun.