Why I Deleted the Recent Makeout Video Post • Page 8

Do these people that think rap gets a free pass even internet.

Various rappers have been banned for certain countries for their lyrics...

 

Ok, that's just fucking awful. I apologize for even moderately questioning why this band was so heavily chastised. This band deserves all the hate that they're getting and then some.

 

Also let's be very clear that it is not black men getting away with raping women on college campuses, but privileged white athletes.

 

Whenever someone says something like this to me, it reads to me as "but look what those black people get to do" and it never sits right with me. We can talk about this, right here, right now without having to play any games of "but this...", "but them...", "but whatabout..." — there's an actual topic and issue right here that's worthy of discussion and reflection without trying to make it about anything else. (It's also completely ignorant of the lengthy discussions and definite lack of a "free pass" that's actually happening in music circles here, and in other communities.)

 

white people only care about demeaning lyrics in rap when their genres get called out for it. it's racist as fuck. concern trolling.

 

Here's a somewhat-recent full set list from the band.

 

If they weren't writing bad pop-punk songs, they'd definitely be trying to be instagram celebrities. Heh.

 

I don't really have anything to add that some of the users in this thread, specifically women like @Anna Acosta , haven't already said better than I could, but it worries me that some people can't seem to figure out why this song is so deeply problematic. Straight white dude using gendered slurs to verbally attack a woman... like, this isn't hard. It's gross, juvenile, and completely unnecessary.

It's also realllllllllly gross to see the singer dude shutting down women on Twitter responding to the song.

 

While I understand what you are saying and its true.....Regardless of race, gender, genre of music, or whatever, demeaning and degrading lyrics are exactly that. You don't need to be the one to come up with the "fix" for it but regardless of background or upbringing, lyrics degrading women shouldn't be okay. We can stick to pop punk here but people in these communities (punk, hip hop, etc) should speak out against this stuff because when it comes from the outside it doesn't generally have a meaningful effect.

 

Ironically, Eminem is the quintessential rap artist that I think gets a "free pass" with regard to misogyny. So I definitely didn't see it as a "black people can do whatever they want" kind of thing. And yes, "free pass" doesn't really mean free pass. It just means people are willing to overlook it for him when they wouldn't for others.

But I get your point. It's all not ok, regardless of the genre/artist/medium. The problem in this thread is that one immature (and worse words than that given their Twitter comments) band wrote a terribly misogynistic song, and the post about that song was removed to discourage support of said band.

 

I honestly always thought that part in 70x7 was about John Nolan? Jude Law is a different matter of course.

 

Marginalized members of these communities already do. That's why it's the job of people with louder platforms to amplify those voices. (and if you're not a member of that community, to do so WITHOUT editorializing on it.) That's the part that doesn't tend to happen.

Let's be clear: there is no corner of entertainment and no genre of music that doesn't have a misogyny problem. But the manifestations and implications of that problem - and therefore, how it needs to get addressed - varies due to other societal realities. White folks find it very hard to stay in their line regarding race and hip hop/rap, just like men find it very hard re: misogyny, straight/cis folks with queer issues, etc. Listen and amplify. And most importantly, don't use hot button issues like misogyny in hip hop to distract from a discussion on misogyny in rock.

 

If you aren't actively engaged with or a part of the hip hop community and culture your concern probably isn't coming from a place of sincerity. Obviously these things should be condemned in wider society. In individual cultures and groups it's best if those who are actually involved and interested and connected to them are the ones leading the way. Voices shouting from the outside don't do anything to help.

 

"overcooked potatoes" is a pretty wonderful insult. I shall be borrowing that in the future

 

Man that was worse than I expected.

I definitely agree that the pop punk we grew up with is responsible for some of this - yeah a lot of the blink / fob / nfg stuff was more subtle than this - but I cringe at some of the lyrics on enema of the state now.

And btw - saying "it's a breakup song, what do you expect?" is horseshit - plenty of bands - even blink (What Went Wrong) have done the angry/confused breakup song without resorting to misogyny.

Ok, I need a palate cleanser after that shit sandwhich of a song - I submit this.

 

So here's what happened. Some of us posted that the lyrics to this song are exceptionally problematic. Someone else tried to play a "gotcha" game because this happens in rap too. By virtue of bringing this argument up, a person is effectively saying either a) they don't care about this at all and don't see a problem or b) they are being blatantly racist and saying that they don't think white people should have to address this until black people do. Literally no one in this thread is saying it's ok for anyone in any genre to do this.

 

I was unfortunate enough to see the video for Crazy when they uploaded it (I subscribe to a ton of label channels to watch for new signings), and even then I remember finding the lyrics really fucking troubling. I sent it to my friend with the message of something like "If you want to hear the worst band in the world..." and mentioned the lyrics, and he sent back this:

 

Geez it's just a fun little harmless song. Girls write songs about guys like this quite often. Many modern mainstream artists have the same theme we just presented a little differently. Saying b**** and w**** does not automatically mean you're sexist.

 

You're correct. While a very problematic and juvenile song in and of itself, Seventy Times Seven doesn't actually have a place in this particular discussion (about misogyny in pop punk) because it isn't about a woman or even a romantic partner.

 

If you didn't trademark overcooked potatoes already, I'd highly recommend doing so! I love it

 

Please tell me more about those derogatory words towards men that girls are using in their songs all the time.

 

Using sexist language doesn't make you a sexist? Would love to hear you expand on this revelation.

 

Oof. Yikes

 

That is true that saying something from the outside doesn't solve anything but some things (like degrading women) shouldn't have cultural or racial boundaries. No matter who it comes from its wrong. I do believe some critiques can be racist and not sincere but some come from just being a good human being, and whats wrong is wrong, unfortunately the world is a crazy place and its not often seen this way.

 

One time a girl called me a scrub and I was very much hurt as I sat in the passenger side of my best friend's ride trying to holler at said girl.