Warped Tour 2017 Festival • Page 64

Other than a BTF/Ataris conflict at 1145, that'd be a perfect day for me haha

 

2-3K is BAD. Like, there are theatres in the country that could have fit everyone there.

 

Didn't Albuquerque look relatively empty too? They just might not go back to New Mexico if they have it next year

 

I think if the tour returns to New Mexico it would hopefully only be one date and not two. Albuquerque attendance was a bit of a letdown I heard. None of my friends or I went to either New Mexico date.

 

Idk, if this matters, but I just realized: The Minnesota Warped Tour date has been the 4th Sunday of the July, each year for the past 4 years.

Are there any other dates like this?

 

Camden has been held on the second Friday of every July for a few years now

 

For Detroit, 2009 & 2010 it was the last Friday of July. 2011 & 2012 it was the first Friday of July. Last five years it's been the third Friday of July.

 

For Massachusetts, the past three years, which is the only dates I've gone since 2015 is always the second Wednesday of July

 

I believe Hartford, CT is the second Sunday of July every year, and the Mass/RI date is the Tuesday or Wednesday following that.

I was always super thankful to have a weekend Warped date within two hours of my house every year. Seems like it must be on purpose at this point.

 

I think you're onto something there....even if it isn't Kevin/Warped. It definitely feels like this is the direction we're headed in with Carolina Rebellion, Rock on the Range, multiple dates of Self Help, etc. Warped kind of feels like tradition now, but I really don't think we'll see Mayhem/Sounds of the Underground or anything like it come back anytime soon.

 

my warped date is always on a wednesday in July, except for this year it was on a tuesday.

 

unfortunately, think you are right.which this makes me wonder how much longer summer slaughter has?

 

No idea how that draws in various markets. That seems like an even better example of a tour that would work better being a series of "one-off" dates booked in cities with more strategy in terms of line-up, venue, and date than a full blown package tour provides.

Kinda would suck for a lot of the smaller bands on that type of tour, but I think you could reliably get a date or two from Lamb of God, Behemoth, maybe even Machine Head, etc. When you need to book a full summer it's obviously really tough. Clearly Kevin ran into it with Mayhem where no "headliner" bands would do it. Some of the Summer Slaughter headliners are cool...but really, don't seem like big draws. I think we've seen Dillinger Escape Plan, Morbid Angel and TBDM all headline or co-headline in the past few years. I don't feel like any of those are big draws to build a festival around.

 

We need a new large scale Hard Rock/Metal tour like Mayhem Fest in the summer. The one stop fests aren't cutting it, especially since most of them have nearly identical lineups. I'd reckon the dwindling mainstream interest in Hard Rock is partly due to the death of the Mayhem/Ozzfest/Uproar type tour. I don't think the tours suffered because of a dying interest, I think the dying interest is a result of those tours going away.

You have to understand a lot of 30-50 year old Metal fans attended Ozzfest and Mayhem annually as a tradition like we do with Warped. When you take away the touring fests, you eliminated a major outlet for older people to find new Hard Rock bands. You think Metalcore and Post-Hardcore would have retained a following for so long if they didn't have Warped to promote their genre and scene? Metal was big in the early 00s because Ozzfest was a big deal.

However, another problem is that the amount of bands who could headline a summer amphitheater tour is getting smaller. Disturbed, Five Finger Death Punch, Slipknot, Tool (who likely wouldn't do that sort of tour), Korn, Slayer, and Megadeth are the only ones I could even reasonably consider.

 

Hopefully knotfest becomes something soon

 

thanks for making me feel old. Jk seriously though i never got to go to ozzfest growing up. :( think of most of the big hard rock and metal bands from like 2000 to 07 ozzfest seriously made them get the fan bases that alot of those bands still have now.

 

One of my fondest memories as a kid was going with my dad to get Ozzfest 2002 tickets the morning they went on sale. The line was huge and it seriously felt like an event in itself. People introducing themselves to each other and talking music while we waited for our turn. I can't fathom a Metal festival now being big enough that even the morning tickets went on sale felt like a party.

 

This is a great point too. Pretty much every band who played main stage at Ozzfest between 1998 and 2003 still have enormous fanbases compared to newer waves of bands in similar genres. Just compare the Spotify monthly listeners for bands like System Of A Down, Godsmack, P.O.D., Papa Roach, etc. to newer bands who are viewed as the biggest right now. In most cases, there is no comparison. Like those bands or not, there's little denying that was the last time Hard Rock captivated the general public.

Five Finger Death Punch and Avenged Sevenfold are pretty much the only bands to get big after that era who reached a comparable level of success.

 

A couple bands I think have the potential based on current hype are Beartooth, Of Mice & Men, Bring Me the Horizon, I Prevail and Wage War. All of them get played on heavy rock/metal stations and I think once each puts out another record they'll probably get a lot of chart hype.

 

I think BMTH are already there and I Prevail are gonna get there for sure

 

You basically answered why they couldn't do it anymore. There's only so many bands that can headline and they kept having to recycle the same bands, which is a huge reason people lost interest in my opinion. FFDP and Zombie headlined in 2013 I believe and from what I heard, ticket sales were pretty bad. Same with 2015 that had Slayer and King Diamond headlining. All other metal bands that can easily (SOAD, Tool, Maiden, Metallica) would never do it because they can headline ampitheaters on their own and get paid way more for it.

All the bands mentioned above can be (or eventually be) main stage but as openers or the 3rd to last band but for sure not headlining ampitheaters.


Tbh I could eventually see Warped as a tour with only a few stops and with different bands selected dates. Bands would route tours around Warped to link up for so all bands on sad tour would be on that date of Warped Tour.

As far as metal fests go, I could see Ozzfest/Knotfest eventually expanding and doing a few more dates, with bands routing linking up for the fest the same way I explained Warped will eventually be, but never a full on tour as ozzfest once was. Maybe 5 dates or so eventually.

 

Anyone have knowledge of 5SOS performing with Goldfinger tomorrow ?

 

Where's this coming from?

 

My cousin was saying it. I don't believe it one bit. Mainly because it's a lose-lose situation for both acts.

 

wait are people itt trying to argue that hard rock/metal are losing popularity in general public because there's not a summer tour anymore? instead of the clear indication the other way around that touring summer metal fests fail because of declining interest?

lol